To: energyplay who wrote (64286 ) 5/26/2005 2:39:45 PM From: Slagle Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 74559 energyplay, Re: "Indian extinctions" When I was a kid we farmed lots of N Georgia bottom land and I began collecting Indian artifacts then, a good many from the seat of a Farmall tractor (when my eyesight was better <g>). There was a burial mound on the place that Grandfather leveled in about 1920 and several other mounds on adjacent farms. Back then with tractors progressively getting bigger (and plowing deeper) new material was thrown to the surface year by year and I dug in these mounds too and found lots of interesting stuff. I had a good friend who excavated literally hundreds of burials and at one time he had the biggest private collection in the state. Another friend went at it in the "scientific" manner and is considered a leading expert in what is known as the "Spanish Contact" period. The Southeastern mound builder Indians had a pretty advanced corn based stone age existance and were related to the Mexican Aztec and Maya in cultural practice and maybe racially. They were not really tribal but lived in little Chiefdoms or primitive kingdoms like the Mexicans. The final stage is known as "Mississippian" with their flat topped temple mounds of which the Natchez were probably the last. Some of these chiefdoms were pretty large, maybe 100 miles or more across. The PC version of the Indian extinctions is that "evil Europeans" did it with smallpox, ect. But that doesn't explain other earlier and much larger extinctions that happened before whitey got here. The very large Adena culture, builder of the large conical mounds and other structures in the Ohio valley died out around 400AD. The biggest Mississippian city, Etowah in N Georgia which may have had 20,000 inhabitants at its peak died out 100 years before Columbus. Indeed, it was Etowah that DeSoto was searching for but it was already extinct. We know that Mississippian settelments were dark, evil terrible places with lots of human sacrifice and other abominations. Writings from the Desoto and later DeLuna expeditions describe practices they observed first hand. And the PC adherents like to downplay the dark side, but in practically every Mississippian dig where a chief's remains are found, along with him are buried bunches of children and women, all human sacrifice of course. I know for I have see this with my own eyes. Now wonder the devout Spaniards thought they had truly found Satan's agents among the Indian priesthood. The tribal Indians like the Cherokee probably lived a better and more decent existance as they were too busy hunting and surviving to have evolved a murderous preisthood of evil witchdoctors to serve the chief. Here's what I think happened: Upon contact with the Spaniards the whole basis of the Mississippian world was turned upside down. Their chief, who was supposed to be GOD was shown to be an inferior to the well armed and physically larger Spaniards (the Mississippian, like the Aztec and Maya were small stout people, not as tall as the Cherokee and other Northern tribes). After the Spaniards left they were remembered and no longer could the chief and his witchdoctors trust their orders to be obeyed. It was cultural shock. Of course smallpox and the rest pushed matters to a conclusion. Slagle Here'swhat I think happened