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To: marcos who wrote (163155)	5/26/2005 6:44:33 PM
From: Sun Tzu	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

>> don't you think the people of a country should have some right to determine who can immigrate to it, and in what numbers... To a point, but perhaps not as much as you may believe. If I am an Israeli citizen, even if I am a Jewish citizen, there are restrictions as to who my wife may be and how I can bring her over and what treatment my children will have. In short, an Israeli Jew is coerced into making state approved decisions for choices that are highly personal. I'd take the same position for any country. I do not recognize the right of the government to restrict family unions. Ditto for the Saudis who are whipping other Saudis because he did not fallow Islam according to their wishes. I believe in the notion of inalienable rights and so I am against all such practices.

To: marcos who wrote (163155)	5/27/2005 2:27:14 PM
From: teevee	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Theft and murder are crimes, clear abuses of humanity ... you'll be with me that far, i'm sure ... as to rights of indigenous, don't you think the people of a country should have some right to determine who can immigrate to it, and in what numbers, and to what extent immigrants should feel free to change the laws to benefit their own ethnicity to the exclusion of the indigenous? .... check the whole zionist history from 1917 to present, a threat of subjugation is made against palestinian indigenous, it is carried out using theft and murder ... and, oh right, any native reaction to the threat is a 'provocation' ... your line of reasoning is an affront to the father of Israel, David Ben Gurion.