To: Dale Baker who wrote (77 ) 5/28/2005 7:29:33 PM From: tsigprofit Respond to of 540836 Who are you, and what have you done with Dale Baker?? lol My problem with what you seem to be trying to do is that you seem to be saying a pox on both their houses (I believe you did, to paraphrase you before...) By equating the two partisan sides, with your examples below, when one is a personal matter of no value to the world, and the other is a major geopolitical shift and crusade that will cost tens of thousands of lives (already has), and hundreds of billions of dollars, plus trash America's credibility around the world (agree with you there) I believe is incorrect. What we have now is an unbalanced, heavily partisan, government. I work against the Republicans now, precisely because things are so out of balance. The only way to do that currently is by aligning with the Democrats, and others such as Libertarians in the US - which don't have much power of course. To me, it would be analogous to an out of control Democratic radical President and Congress, plus the Supreme Court, hell bent on destroying capitalism and all business in the US. I would oppose that, and if it meant aligning with a much different Republican Party or Libertarians to work against them, I would. As an ex-Republican, I strongly believe they must be stopped, or slowed. I think we agree on that. You may call that partisan, but I have explained my thinking on that already. BTW, I don't think Clinton's conduct was disgraceful at all. Not going to re-argue that, and I'm surprised you bring it up with such important real things going on now. He was a great President, who brought us 8 years of growth, peace, and a budget surplus. Everything he did was to promote the middle-class, and the poor in this country - while also urging people to get rich, and promoting business around the world. And America's image under Clinton around the world? Do you remember the hundreds of thousands that would come out in Europe to smile and wave their arms to greet him? This happened all around the world, and America was respected as a global cooperative partner, not a bully. No more. What we have now is the mirror image of that. If that's partisan, then so be it, but it is a fact. tsigprofit >> Clinton thought he could parse away his disgraceful personal conduct with legalistic semantics. That was horseshit. He wrecked his credibility and political effectiveness. Bush thinks that America's image as an outside-the-rules rogue can be parsed with mealy-mouthed guidance. That's also horseshit. He wrecked America's credibility and effectiveness.