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To: marcos who wrote (163300)	5/29/2005 10:09:02 AM
From: teevee	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

The name 'Palestine' refers to the whole country, from the Med to the Jordan, bounded on the north by Lebanon, on the south by the egyptian desert ... this is the country of the palestinian, as Ben Gurion pointed out, there is not now a settlement where there had not previously been a palestinian village ... Ben Gurion was polish, his real name was Green, did you know that ... Dave Green, doesn't sound like the name of a guy who would run an ethnic cleansing operation, does it You need to learn more about the fathers of Israel and its birth as a nation. During the 1940's, Menachem Begin, as leader of Irgun Zeva'i Le'umi (“The National Military Organization” (Etzel, I.Z.L.), knew how to deal with an arab uprising.After the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel, Begin also had the vision to integrate Etzel members into the army of Israel. In 1981, it was Begin who ordered the Israeli Air Force to bomb the Osirak nuclear reactor in Iraq, where the Iraqi regime was developing nuclear weapons. With the recent delivery of bunker busters, I am hopeful there is enough Etzel blood and heritage left in the Israeli military to prevent Iran from becoming a nuclear power. To fullfill the dreams and visions of David Ben Gurion and Menachem Begin, there will be more D-9s to level all the remaining homes, villages, farms and olive groves of arabs and muslims who aid and abet terrorists. Let European muslim and arab sympathizers like France and the neighbouring muslim and arab countries look after and provide for Palestinians somewhere else. Besides, Israel is a nuclear power and may do as it pleases. What will anyone do about it?

To: marcos who wrote (163300)	5/29/2005 6:21:10 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Tibet is not a good analogy for Palestine, Of course it isn't.. Because it's "inconvenient" to those who somehow believe the plight of the Palestinians should be the focus of international attention by any special interest wanting to use them as a political pawn. But the analogy is just as valid, if not more so (especially to the Tibetans). The bottom line is that the Palestinians, and every other Arab culture were occupied for 500 years by the Turks without anyone raising much of a fuss. With the defeat of the Turks, an incredible amount of OCCUPIED land was carved up in a very arbitrary manner, with legitimacy taking a back seat to regional order and parochial interests by the occupying powers. EVERY nation in that region exists SOLELY because the Brits and French placed foreign rulers, or "approved" tribal leaders in charge of other lesser clans. In essence, all of these lesser clans have just as much of a "gripe" with their plight as the Palestinians. All of their tribal power and lands were usurped by their artificially created states and placed under the control of illegitimate governments with little accountability. So it would be VERY helpful, if not downright objective, to recognize this context when discussing the situation with Israel and the Palestinians. I'm quite sure the Coptic Christians of Egypt feel just as dispossessed, and occupied, suffering at the hands of Arab muslim invaders. Hawk