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To: SiouxPal who wrote (191)5/29/2005 2:38:18 PM
From: longnshort  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 24212
 
They go back to horses



To: SiouxPal who wrote (191)5/29/2005 4:30:15 PM
From: Wharf Rat  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 24212
 
If it is just expensive ,and not in short supply, they could double their prices. Probably have to think about not growing enuf to feed the entire world.
I'd guess the corporate farms would get hit harder, just because of sheer size. The little guys can maybe find places to cut back and to save, that factory farms can't. OTH, factory farms have the $, so they may buy up all the failing small ones.
The Amish farmers will make a killing. They can raise prices to stay competitive, and make a fortune.
Ultimately, when supplies are decreasing, there might be a national plan to ration fuel for individuals, so that it can be used on the farm.
Another thing about the $; if gas goes up, fertilizers and pesticides go up. Cost of pumping water goes up. Remember all the windmills you used to see which were pumping water? May go back to that again, for the little guy. The factories, sucking up the Ogallala Reservoir, could have a big problem.
Economies of scale are going to start working against the factories.

Maybe

:-)



To: SiouxPal who wrote (191)5/29/2005 4:54:33 PM
From: Wharf Rat  Respond to of 24212
 
2004 Conference Proceedings

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Charles Stevens Presentation: Agrarian Solutions to Peak Oil
Slide 1 At lunch we were talking variously about what we were supposed to do about marauding bands of folks with shotguns stealing our organic tomatoes that we grew in our intentional communities. And it was a disturbing conversation in many ways, but we finally decided that the answer – if there are any answers – are in community and focusing on local answers. I also came out of our conversation at lunch with a dissatisfaction with what I'm going to say today, because people are looking for specific answers. And I think what we're doing today and for the next couple of days is giving basic ideas out of which we can develop specific and appropriate answers to specific local ecological, environmental, and social issues. So I'm not going to come here and tell you exactly what kind of rotation cycle you need to put into your organic farm. There are people like Ned Snavely up in Holmes County who could tell you that. There are people here who could probably tell you that. But mostly, there is knowledge about how to do that, but we're going to have to work it out to a large extent. That's perhaps the bad news.

The good news is human beings have been doing agriculture for something like 10,000 years off and on, variously successfully, in some places extraordinarily successfully. Wet rice agriculture in China, 5,000 years, very sustainable system, highly productive system. I studied with people in the South Pacific on an island that was 99 square miles in size. That was a big island for them. They have been doing agriculture on this island for 2700 years, and until the 1960's, they didn't mess it up. That's a long time to do good, solid agriculture. Now not everything about Polynesian societies is touchy, feely and happy, but they certainly knew how to do good agriculture in a tropical environment.

Two of my heroes here, Thomas Jefferson, Wendell Berry. Guys who have pretty neat ideas. Ideas that we still kick around every day. Pursuit of happiness. All men being created equal. These are not easy ideas, and they are not going to become easy. But one of the problem we have with these icons, both of these men are icons, is that we think they're too romantic. And I think that that's not fair. They're really philosophers. Philosophers tell us about ideas, they give us concepts. Whether or not we can successfully put those concepts into action is another issue, but that's not their job. Their job is to give us philosophies, ideas, out of which we can work. So I don't think it's fair to say that Wendell Berry is too romantic. I don't happen to think he is. I think that in many ways, he tells us about good ways to live life, good ways to be in touch with the earth, good ways to grow our food, good ways to be independent, lots of good things. My concern is, and I will start off here talking about, whether or not this is a romantic idea, this idea of agrarianism, and also how we can make it a pragmatic reality.

Slide 2 So Jefferson got his idea out of Whig romanticism, this idea, this focus on history, of a time in history that actually never existed, about smallholders on the landscape, growing crops in more or less egalitarian communities, and everybody knew then that this Whig romanticism depicted a world that never existed. But this was fundamental in Jefferson's idea of the world and I have a quote from him later that points this out. But he had this idea of rural communities forming a philosophical basis for sustainable productive local agriculture that was not petroleum-dependent, and I think that we can draw out of his agrarianism a vision that works in many ways for us.

Slide 3 If what we can do is take this agrarian vision and add to it, with what is becoming increasingly scientific justification of agroecological principles, scientific justification for indigenous agriculture, which has been going on for a long time. Why scientific? Because in our culture, we won't pay attention to anything unless it's scientifically justified. So the fact that people have been doing good indigenous agriculture for a long period of time doesn't work for us for a lot of xenophobic, and other imperialistic ideas that permeate our culture. So we need a scientist to tell us yeah, this little brown guy over here really does know what he's doing when he's planting yams. And then we go, well, okay, it's not really the little guy over here, it's the scientists telling us how to do it. And I think that people, agroecologists like Miguel Altieri and Steven Gliessman, and a lot of other people, will tell you right up front the reason we are doing this agroecological research is to come up with the scientific legitimation of processes that have already been going on for a long time. And I think that that's our cultural deficit. Right? That's something we need to fix within ourselves. So if we have to legitimate it through science and trial and error, then let's do that. Anthropology also offers us an awful lot of examples of highly sustainable, highly productive agricultural systems from whom we can learn. So I think that what we can do with this agrarian philosophy that may appear to be romantic is to realize that we have now good scientific as well as anthropological information that will tell us that we can turn that vision into a reasonable, cooperative, communitarian way of getting to the world post-carbon. I think that we have lots of options, and I'm tired of being pessimistic, even after November 2nd. I'm tired of being pessimistic. I am tired of acquiescing to power.

Slide 4 We have a lot of options. I think we need to take them. Let them do their trip, we can do ours at the local level. Jefferson saw this. He saw America as a refuge for original Saxon values and he thought fundamentally that there was something good about being engaged in the land, about getting your hands dirty, about having your lifestyle structured by something outside of yourself, in this case, nature. Realizing even before it happened that the idea of 8 to 5 is a dehumanizing principle. And so, maybe this is highly romanticized. And Wendell Berry talks about this. David Kline talks about this. Gene Logsdon talks about this, about the benefits that people get when they start becoming part of a system that is larger than themselves. I'm not talking about the petroleum system and the corporate system. I'm talking about geological systems that have nothing to do with us. They existed well before us, will exist long after us. Human beings are not exempt from extinction. That's the bad part we're talking about here today, this weekend. We need to work on what we have control over. So it is highly romanticized. But he also thought that land stewardship brought with it a certain moral strength of character, and he envisioned, as we all know, that an America based on small agrarian farmers, because he felt that when you are in that place, there is a moral character that develops from working the land. And so he also taught that there was a correlation between closeness to nature and closeness to God. And we see that again in a resurgence of conservation congregations. So we have an ethos in Christianity and other religions that tie us back to a closeness to nature and gives us a closeness to God.

Slide 5 Now for Jefferson, he tied it into his political wisdom as well, and this is a wonderful quote of course, and I don't know how much, how comfortable I feel with this particular quote from Jefferson, but he says "the tree of liberty is refreshed with the blood of patriots, and tyrants is its natural manure". Thomas Jefferson thought that revolutions were good things once in a while. A few of us may have shotguns – they've got Apache helicopters. So how far we want to go with this is something we can talk about some other time.

In actuality, agricultural stewardship as part of agrarianism didn't actually happen until the 1820's, when the devastation that was brought by the introduction of agriculture, particularly here to Ohio and other places, made people realize very quickly that they had to adopt an agrarian-type of agriculture. The colonization of Ohio, those of you who are historians, know that it was a thoroughly devastating event. People talked about sycamore trees that were big enough to ride your horse into and camp out overnight, and what did they do with those sycamore trees? They cut them down. The last native deer in Butler County was shot in 1825 at Stilwell's Corner not too far from my house. They had to be reintroduced. So this was a devastating settlement. And they began to recognized this in the 1820's. There is a great book by Steven Stoll called, Larding the Lean Earth, that talks about this agrarian vision in the 1820's that was resurrected because of practical necessity to do so. And I think to some extent, that's where we are again.

Slide 6 Aldo Leopold in 1949 was probably the founder of this modern vision of agrarianism. And here's this great quote, "A thing is right when it tends to preserve the integrity, stability, and beauty of the biotic community." A realization here, without going into evolutionary theory, but a realization here that human beings are also part of this biotic community, and to the extent that we destroy that community, we are destroying also the life support system that we as animals are also dependent upon.

Slide 7 This is another quote from Aldo Leopold, "The land ethic simply enlarges the boundaries of the community to include soil, water, plants and animals, or collectively, the land." And Wendell Berry brings this back up again, that we should include our community, as we build these community alternatives to post-oil, that we include in it animal life, plant life, the ecosystem, as members of the community, and in a sense give them a vote in what it is that we are doing. In other words, we are not the only animals involved in this process.

Slide 8 Now Wendell Berry, it seems to me, purposely tries to get away from a romanticized vision of the farmer. So he says in this quote here, "The idea that farmers are the salt of the earth, a pure, independent person, a child of nature, is as wrong as the image that a farmer is some sort of bumbling idiot who, if he had any sense, would be doing something else." An awful lot of farmers, particularly all the farmers I've ever met, are doing farming because they love to do farming. That's the first thing, most of them. The second thing is, you can't be stupid and be successful at farming. Farming, even mechanized farming, is incredibly complicated. The knowledge system that indigenous farmers have is immense, generations long. I can't remember the fellow's name right now – it may come to me – but there's a fellow who did work amongst dry rice farmers in Africa who would count within a particular region 60 varieties of a single species of dry land rice. Farmers would have 15 varieties of the same species of dry land rice, and they would know what part of their property, what soil type, to plant specific varieties of rice, which varieties of rice would return in a dry season, which varieties of rice would return in a wet season. It takes an awful lot of knowledge to do this. The good news of that kind of system is if you have a drought, your yields will go down, but you will not starve to death. If you're a soybean/corn rotation farmer in Ohio, and you were in the wrong rotation three years ago, you lost the farm. Right? Because of the consequences, the risks of monocropping. So out of indigenous farmers, we get this image of farming that is highly biodiverse and therefore very stable. There are other problems with it – I don't want to be too romantic about it – but that biodiversity provides us with some stability.

Slide 9 So here's this great article, "Conserving Community," you can type it into Google, you can get a copy of it on the Web, and I just extracted some of the things that Wendell Berry said in this. And he said some very fundamental questions. I will have a slide later on that says these are radical ideas. They are only radical ideas because of the extent to which we have internalized, in some sense, unquestioningly, the ideological backdrop of our economic system. That's why these ideas seem radical now, is because he is proposing that we don't look about maximizing utility at the individual level. It's not about, what Wendell Berry is talking about, what I'm talking about, is not whether or not, I, as an individual, can maximize my capital. It's whether or not my community and myself as a member of it can maximize our common wealth. I as an individual benefit from that. I'm not talking about American individualism, I'm talking about the individuality that involves people in a community, if that makes any sense.

So here's a number of things. And I don't want to read them all out, because you all can read it "Always include local nature, the land, the water, and the air, as members of the community." I already talked about that. "Always ask of any proposed change or innovation what will this do, not so much to me, but to the community? What will this do to the community? How will this affect the commonwealth of the community? Always ask how local needs must be supplied from local sources, including the mutual help of neighbors." I had the pleasure of going to Italy this last summer, having a great dinner with some colleagues down there who work in agroecology, and we got talking about the Iraqi war, and Americans, and they basically said that they feel sorry for us, because we lack contact with our community. They see us as a bunch of atomized individuals. I think that's overstating it. I don't think we are entirely a bunch of atomized individuals, but what they have in Italy, if you've ever been there, is in the afternoon, everybody goes to the piazza and hangs around with each other and talks to one another and buys books, and eats ice cream. When these people close their shutters at night, they say good night to their neighbors across the street. And so they have this communitarian ethos, I think, that we're lacking here.

Slide 10 "We must strive to produce as much of our own energy as possible. Always supply local needs first," which is exactly the opposite of what is going on in industrial agriculture now, which is about buying into a global market, producing for a global market. Wendell Berry is suggesting here that we supply our local needs first. The idea that we ship in lettuce from California makes a lot of economic sense, because there's truckers making their living doing that, but it is ecologically nonsense. We can grow all the lettuce we need in Ohio. Can't grow oranges, or kiwi fruit. But we can certainly do carrots, lettuce, tomatoes, and lots of other things. We have to invest in ourselves as community rather than investing in General Electric. We cannot externalize the costs of keeping our community clean. In other words, keeping our community clean by putting our crap someplace else isn't part of the solution. That's externalization of cost, we can't do that. And I like the bottom one too, because this is an important part of being a community. And that is, we separate generations. Old people are stupid. We put them off into nursing homes. Old people are a wealth of information. Information that will disappear when they die. An intergenerational farm, I have been blessed to be able to stay in one and visit very shortly with some people who are letting me stay there for this conference, here's three generations of people on this farm, where I saw a daughter quite literally learning from her grandfather about how to take care of goats and chickens and stuff. That's the kind of communitarianism and family structure I think that we've lost in the United States to some extent, and Wendell Berry and others are suggesting we revitalize it.

Slide 11 And here's this quote. He says, "These ideas are radical only because national and global economies have been formed in perfect disregard for and disdain of community and ecological issues." The market system will tell us that resource depletion does not exist because the market itself holds the automatic augmentating mechanism that will reduce scarcity to a nonissue. Because knowing actors, economic actors, seeing the price of a resource go up because of scarcity, will seek an alternative. Or they will seek a new way of extracting it. Or they'll seek a new way of processing it. And there is some truth in that. But then we get Julian Simons' idea that copper is a state of mind. And then he tells us that optic fiber was the very enactment of this market ideology that meant copper for wiring is no longer useful, because we developed optic fiber. He doesn't tell us of course that optic fiber was not developed because of copper scarcity. It was developed for completely other reasons. The market mentality is one of the things that we have to get away from, it seems to me. There are some truths in it, there are some truths about efficiency of economics, but we can't idealize economic alternatives for everything. Exactly. It only works on a small scale. But I'm not suggesting in my talk that we disregard markets altogether. What I'm suggesting is that we don't absolutize – if that's a word – market mentalities. The market cannot do everything.

Slide 12 So I'm suggesting that Berry and Thomas Jefferson and others, Wes Jackson, David Kline, who does the Farming magazine, which if you don't get, you should get, are presenting a philosophical basis for an alternative vision, that I think if we add scientific information and anthropological information, is actually the basis for or one answer to post, to peak oil.

Slide 13 So then that brings up the idea of sustainability. I see sustainability having these four components. Usually people talk about three components, but I think if we want to get from what is now an unsustainable world to a more sustainable world, we have to change the way we think. And that's why, and other people as well, have added this ideological component. We have to think differently about the world.

So the idea of sustainability includes environmental components, that's the one most of us are familiar with.

It also involves economic components. You can't be running in the red all the time, whether you're running into ecological red, or you're running into a financial red, it's not going to work. You're going to have to come up with some way of staying in business as well as staying within the confines of an environmental system.

There are social components. Social inequity is unsustainable. It is destabilizing. I am not suggesting – I'm an anthropologist by training – I do not know of any purely egalitarian society outside of hunter and gatherer societies, and that will not work with 6.4 billion people. The red squirrel population wouldn't make it past an afternoon, and then what are we going to do? But relatively egalitarian distribution of food resources is something that is attainable globally. And particularly it is completely attainable at the local level.

And ideological components here: we have to start thinking about ourselves, get rid of this human hubris. We are not the only species on the planet, indeed, we cannot survive without the other species. And, most importantly for Americans, and I hate to trash on us too much because we are good people in many ways – it's not all about us. As I tell my daughter, it's not about you! It's not about you. I also tell my daughter, you can make it easy or you can make it hard. But what's going to happen is going to happen, you decide how you want to go about it. And I think that's what we are at this conference, we can go easy, which I think all of us would like to do, or we can go hard, but peak oil is coming whether we like it or not.

Slide 14 So there are all kinds of ideological ways of rethinking the world to get to a sustainable relationship, which I think is a relationship between dynamic economic systems, and larger dynamics or more slowly-moving changing ecological system, which has nothing to do with us. The world we live in was here before we got here as a species, will be here after we leave here as a species, changed, yes. But there are systems beyond us.

Slide 15 But given that then, sustainability involves establishing systems where human life can continue indefinitely within the confines of whatever our species existence is on this planet, and that should be about seven million years. Depending on where you want to calculate the beginning of the human species, if we start with Homo sapiens, we're only 150,000 years into this. It doesn't look good at this point, that we're going to make it. The other 6 _ million years look pretty rocky from here. We'll see. I won't see, but somebody will see.

Human individuals can flourish. Part of the idea of sustainability is that individuals are happy with what they are doing, that they are comfortable in their social environments, that they find some intellectual as well as spiritual meaning in what they are doing. So individuals have to flourish in what they're doing, and look, a lot of philosophers said that from Wendell Berry to Karl Marx. Karl Marx told us that the most important thing about human beings is their labor, what it is that they do. What human beings do is their being, that's what we are, is what we do. The life we lead is based on how we spend our life and what it is that we do in our life. We don't think of Karl Marx saying stuff like that, but that was very much the basis of his idea, which we accept as capitalists. We all want to do things that we enjoy doing, and who wants to work in a drywall cubbyhole for their whole life? Some people do, but I don't know who they are.

The other thing is that human culture can develop or remain stable. I've got some notes that I've managed not to look at while I've been talking. I think that what I was going to say about the stability of things is that we are also obsessed with the idea of progress, as some sort of linear thing. And I don't think that progress is linear. It never has been and never will be. And so part of what we're talking about is not so much indefinite progress, but a form of stability. Not all cultures want to progress indefinitely. I think that some cultures want to remain relatively stable over the long haul. And I think that there are some positive aspects of that as well, as well as infinite progress and development, which is only available, after all, with cheap energy.

And fundamentally, sustainability is where the effects of human activities remain within the bounds of established ecosystemic constraints. In my opinion, those ecosystemic constraints are defined outside of us. They exist substantially outside of us. There are systems over which human beings have no control. Don't tell that to an economist. But there are systems that are beyond our control. And the ecological system, to some extent, is one of them.

Slide 16 To some extent there has been a realization that the remarkable progress seen in the last 100 years or so of industrialism has also been accompanied by egregious global inequality and conflict. Some folks have admitted that unequal distribution of economic rewards is characteristic of capitalist economics. Here I go getting political again. Some people can look back on the 19th and 20th century and what you get is a very positive vision, of everything's getting better for human beings, onward and better all the time, here we go. We have visions of Star Trek, and these wonderful multicultural communities on starships everywhere. You've got to be rich in the first place to believe that. And that's harsh. But when I look back on the 19th and 20th century, I see in the 20th century alone, 180 million dead people from conflicts. Is there progress out of that? Yes, there's some progress out of that. Is that a happy vision of the world? Not for me. Is there another alternative? There must be some other alternative, otherwise extinction is, it seems to me, just a matter of time. That's pretty depressing. I was going to come up here and give you folks solutions. And, with this Slide we can recall Aurelio Peccei and his founding the Club of Rome and Meadows and all publishing their Limits to Growth computer simulation models that first predicted in the 1970's a catastrophic collapse of the global system by the end of this century. So, for all the benefits and wonders of technological and industrial advancement that we are blessed in receiving, the last several centuries of economic growth have not been characterized by either egalitarianism or stewardship. While no one that I am aware of is contemplating a thoroughly egalitarian world, sustainability must include developing a system characterized by relative equality in economic access and in political rights and responsibilities.

Slide 17 One of the biggest problems in attaining this sustainable world is to get ecologists and economists to talk with one another and understand, as ecological economists like Herman Daly and Robert Costanza have been doing, how to mediate between the widely different perspectives of economists on the one hand and environmentalist on the other.

Slide 18 With regard specifically to agriculture, while industrial agriculture is highly productive per unit of invested labor, it is quite impossible to do without petroleum products. So, some of the unsustainable aspects of industrial agriculture need to be understood.

Slide 19 When you irrigate particularly in agriculture, the water has dissolved salts and minerals which accumulate in the soil as the water evaporates or runs off and the accumulation of these salts can lead to salinization and, while the chemistry of fertilizer application is complex, adding chemical fertilizers can result in a changing in soil acidity, so farmers sometime need to add potash to sweeten the soil. Acids and bases result chemically in the formation of salts so salinization is a real problem. In the US particularly, soil erosion is a massive problem. While farmers have taken steps to try to minimize rates of erosion, it is still a major problem as you can see in these data … 400 million tons of top soil, if my math is correct, carries with in lots of nutrients and as a consequence, there is a dead zone in the Gulf of Mexico roughly the size of the state of Connecticut … also, Wendell Berry noted in the Gift of the Good Land, that one bushel of corn grown conventionally can be associated with a loss of three bushels of soil. Not a good trade-off unless you work for ADM.

Slide 20 Overuse of water. Some irrigation water is drawn from fossil aquifers in the central western states in the US. There has been some reporting that the Oglala aquifer is close to 50% exhausted and that is could take several million years to replenish it. But ground water use in agriculture also has consequences to the regional hydrology. Since we have dammed the Colorado River, for example, the estuaries and fish spawning areas in the Gulf of California are at risk of environmental collapse. So, in order to grow subsidized cotton in Arizona, we divert water from the Colorado to southern Arizona without considering the long term consequences to fish stocks in the Pacific which can no longer breed in what use to be the rich wetlands of the mouth of the Colorado River. As an economic consequence, Mexican shrimpers are finding that the reserve of shrimp in the Gulf of California are diminishing too rapidly to allow for commercial shrimpers to make a living.

(Computer failure – slides stopped)

The part I wanted to get to next – I really do need my PowerPoint for the next part, so – are there questions that I can, can we stop and ask questions at this point while we're waiting for this to power back up?

Q: I just finished reading a book called Overshoot, by Catton. I haven't heard him mentioned, but can you comment on that?

A: Stevens: I've heard of the book. The question was, he had just finished reading a book called Overshoot, by Catton, that we've basically overreached environmental limits. For the disproportionate part of human history, I don't want to get overly romantic here, there is no way to do agriculture without disrupting the ecosystem. You can't start digging up the ground, and taking out trees, and replacing one group of biotic species with another, and call it natural entirely. It's not. But there are scales here of what it is that you want to release into the ecosystem. Preservation and rebuilding of soil fertility – a good organic farmer will tell you that organic farming done correctly will always improve the soil fertility. And now I know that we can't exactly say that the backyard garden is exactly the same thing as large-scale agriculture, but anybody who's got a good backyard garden plot that they've been working on for, let's say, for 5 or 10 years, is a work of art. Now you go out there and you pick it up and it's beautiful, it smells good, and it's got critters in it, and it just gets better and better and better. And in principle, there's no reason why you can't keep doing it, even on a larger scale. I know I'm being naïve in some ways, but with rotation, with rotation applications of manure, conservation of the resource, of biodiversity, but there's a way of doing agriculture, I'm convinced, where the soil quality only gets better. Limited water use, increasing dependence on local resources, nutrient cycling, soil conservation, manuring. One of the things I want to get to later on that may be a solution for the post peak period is that instead of having 5 acres of turf grass, we might have 5 acres of productive landscapes, which means that you can't rake your leaves and put them out by the road for some giant vacuum cleaner to come by and take them away. If you want to burn some of them because you need the potash, fine. But everybody should be composting their leaves, or communities should be composting our leaves for us. I think Oxford does that, for example; other communities must. But every leaf that falls out of a tree has a certain amount of nutrient capacity that we ought to hold on to. Protect the biological and ecosystem diversity.

I just purchased a small piece of ground that was overtaken by Japanese honeysuckle. And so the first year I've been there, I've more or less successfully gotten rid of the Japanese honeysuckle. And now I'm introducing indigenous grass and forage species, little blue stem and big blue stem grasses, and those are hard to germinate, but little by little, my backyard has changed. And before a year was out, I noticed increased species of birdlife, dragonflies. Within one year. I put in a little wetland area. Frogs started showing up. Nature finds a way. And I'm arguing along with people like Laura Jackson, that you can do a successful organic farm that in many ways mimics a natural habitat, that you can include things like pasturage of nature species, not fescue. Native species of grass, that you can use that not only for pasturage, but also for cellulotic ethanol. You have to be careful how frequently you extract that grass from your pasture, because you want to maintain soil fertility, and when you take stuff away from a pasturage or from a garden area, you're taking away the energy that you need to rebuild the soil. But there are ways of doing it carefully so that you can make alcohol, feed your animals, and have a rotation system that maintains your soil fertility.

Slide 21 One of the increasingly obvious consequences of industrial agriculture is environmental pollution. Agriculture, ironically, is the largest non-point source of pollution on the planet. I did a simple web search on agriculture and pollution and found this article from the National Academy of Science and I am no toxicologists but there was something I found disturbing in reading that Atrazine, which we seem to have in abundance in Ohio's ground water, has the apparent effect of demasculinizing frogs…and Atrazine seems to result in hermaphroditic frogs. I don't want to seem too sexist but this whole demasculinizing thing, I found that disturbing for some reason…

Slide 22 There are many other aspects of industrial agriculture that are unsustainable, we don't know what the consequences might be of putting genetically modified organisms into the ecosphere, we do know the economic consequences to small farmers of their dependence on external sources of farm inputs. What negative effects that dependency on petroleum products might have on US foreign policy I will leave with you to discuss. And, for all of the wonders of industrial farming, there is still persistent world hunger. Many people have argued that there is plenty of food to go around but in a system where food must be purchased and is distributed along corporate distribution channels, the result is that, according to the World Bank, 728 million people on the planet do not have sufficient caloric intake of food to lead active lives. A UN report in 2001 put that number at 842 million people.

Slide 23 Alternatively, then, what does a sustainable agriculture look like minimally? Many of these are to opposite of what we see in industrial agriculture. Releasing no toxic material into the ground water, air or soil, for example. Rebuilding soil fertility by adding manures and soil organic matter to feed to micro-organisms that make soil alive and fertile, and, related, minimizing use of irrigation water or improving irrigation systems to limit waste of water. I recall seeing a farmer in Arizona growing Pima cotton and irrigating his crop with giant sprinklers spreading Colorado River water over his fields. Some reports suggest that in that type of irrigation system, about 60% of the water will never reach the plants roots to be absorbed.

Slide 24 Laura Jackson at the University of Northern Iowa has said that it is already well accepted that a biodiverse and ecologically balanced and sustainable form of agriculture that acts in many ways like a natural habitat is completely doable. The limitations are not because of our lack of understanding of agroecology but because of market and policy restrictions. The food distribution channels and the market limitations for small farmers as well as government policies that reward big even if big is economically unviable. Constrain small and biodiverse farmers from successful participation in the market. Small producers are out competed since subsidies and cheap oil as well as government policies that allow externalization of costs, especially environmental costs of industrial production to be carried by the tax payers rather than the market, this creates an economic environment that is difficult to enter and compete with successfully in economic terms. With regard to nutrient recycling and improving soil fertility with on-farm or near farm resources, there a re farmers like Ned Snavely in Holmes County, Ohio, who have successfully designed rotation and manure application systems that maintain and even improve soil fertility while maintaining an economically viable farming operation. And these processes by themselves, since they do not use pesticides and petroleum fertilizers, enhance the biodiversity of the farm, even without purposeful introduction of diverse crop and non-cultivated plant species. Some organic farmers purposely introduce flowering plant species into the farming systems because these plants, buck wheat, dill, and many types of flowering plants, attract parasitic wasps, insectivorous insects, carnivorous insects and these insects keep the herbivores insects under control. Finally here we have equitable access to appropriate technology, which means: technology and knowledge about how to do effective agriculture ought to be part of the human knowledge system. I know there is plenty to be made off patents, but it seems to me that part of this system later on post peak will be, if you know how to grow crops really well, you ought to tell your neighbor about it. It's not about you. It's not about Monsanto. Agroecological knowledge ought to be widely distributed among knowledgeable farmers.

Slide 25 Now I put this separate, this is another example of what I think is a requirement of sustainable agriculture. I put it separately, because in the temperate climate, talking to organic farmers in Preble County and Montgomery County, they will tell you that they cannot do organic agriculture without animals. Can't do it. And why? You don't have to eat the animals if you don't want to. They need the manure. Animals do wonderful things. They turn cellulose into manure, protein and fats, and we can't do that. And so all the farmers I know say we've got to have animals as part of our system. In the market they're working right now, they need them to make ends meet. They need to sell the eggs, need to sell the meat, because they don't get enough on market value for their organic crops for the most part. And so every farmer I've talked to says they understand the idea of the animal ethicists people, the PETA people; they understand what you're trying to say about humanitarian treatment of animals, but they will say, "Look, I can't do organic agriculture without animals."

Q: When it comes to it, earthworms are livestock, and you feed them organic matter, and you can definitely do organic agriculture without eating the animal.

A: Right. I think there's an issue of scale. But you know, you're right. When you look at it that way, the worm becomes your livestock. There's an animal involved in the process somehow.

Q: Microherds?

A: Right. Microherds. I'm seeing all these worms wiggling down the Chissom Trail. The other thing of course is that in a post-peak period, animals will be required for traction. If you're going to be operating on a scale larger than you can use hand tools, you're going to have to have some animals for traction. And the nice thing about horses and oxen is they do something that tractors don't do, they reproduce. If they could make a tractor that would reproduce, like a John Deere, they would have some issues with that.

Slide 26 So the agroecosystem concept is that the crop field is basically an ecosystem. And so instead of trying to control as many aspects of the field, you allow it to be as biodiverse as possible. In some ways, it's exactly the opposite of what industrial agriculture is trying to do. Instead of limiting biodiversity, you want to enhance it.

I've got this little backdoor garden. And several years ago, I came home from school, and I went in the back as I do, immediately, pop a beer, go in the garden. And what I noticed was there were horned tomato worms on my tomatoes. And if you've had a backdoor garden, you know that one of those puppies can take a tomato plant and render it completely dead, eat all of it in a heartbeat. It's amazing how much they can go through. Well, I had planted some buckwheat and some dill and some other flowering plants that I knew attracted parasitic wasps, and those horned tomato worms got through half a leaf. I'm not exaggerating. And when I got home, they were dead, full of all these larvae that the parasitic worms had planted in them. And it works. Now it doesn't work completely. You're going to have some yield loss. Everybody will tell you that. But you can work with nature, and I think at a large scale, to have a highly productive agricultural system.

A lot of this information comes from a book by an anthropologist who has passed away. His name was Bob Netting, Robert McC. Netting, and the book is Smallholders, Householders. It's Stanford University Press. Netting, Smallholders, Householders: Ecological Basis for Sustainable Agriculture, or something like that. You can get it on Amazon. It's even a nice buy, it's $13. Bob was an English major, so it's really readable, well-written. Lots of cross-cultural information about sustainable ecologically viable agricultural systems and so a lot of this I get out of Bob's books.

Slide 27 Relatively stable production per unit of land. Contrary to popular opinion, sustainable organic agriculture is more productive per unit of land than is industrial agriculture. It is more productive per unit of input energy by far than industrial agriculture. It only lacks in units per unit of labor, and that's an artificial construct, because labor has been replaced by petroleum. So don't let anybody tell you that we can't do organic and nonpetroleum agriculture because we can't feed enough people, it doesn't produce enough per unit of land. That's simply not true.

The World Bank actually commissioned a private investigation, because continuously they found that small landholders kept producing more than big landholders, and it screwed up their model. They were saying, this can't be right! Economies of scale, etc., it can't be right. Everywhere they went: India, Thailand, Cambodia, desert Southwest, everywhere they went. Small landholders are more productive per unit of land than big ones. And anybody who has got a backdoor garden knows how much you can get out of a small garden, it's remarkable. And I think, as Gene Logsdon has said, you can transfer the agricultural model from a small garden to a big garden. I think that you can do that.

Q: I hate to tell you, but what if your working ten hours of labor, that's a positive, not a negative.

A: Stevens: That's the thing. The thing that obviously was going on and is lurking behind here is labor costs are high. If you want to do this kind of agriculture, you're working hard. So, the returns or yields per unit of labor are not favorable compared to industrial agriculture but, as I said, that is because oil is cheaper than labor and oil has, essentially, replaced labor and the labor that is invested in industrial agriculture tends to be migrant and the costs there do not include retirement plans and health insurance. But, in terms of individual farmer labor, I've also had lots of people tell me, "I love what I'm doing. I get up, it's good solid work, I'm thinking while I'm doing it, it's not drudgery at all. But am I working hard? Yeah, I'm working hard." Farming is hard work. But hard isn't bad work. You're just physically working. But people get huge amounts of enjoyment out of that kind of work.

And the yields per unit of land are high, and the calculation is called the "land equivalent ratio", you can figure out yield returns per unit of land in a multicropped and intercropped system and compare it to a monocropped system and the yields per unit of land are very favorable to small and biodiverse agriculture. Now if you start putting in more inputs; it says here, conversely, soil erosion, water table reduction, declining resistance of crops to pests and stress, indicate that yields will drop even if they have not already. So these issues, soil erosion and such, are warning signs of a diminishing effectiveness of your production system.

Slide 28 So a really good way of figuring out whether or not agriculture is sustainable is, if your yields stay the same but you're putting in more input, something's wrong. Similarly, if you have to suddenly put in more labor or petroleum input, something's wrong. Energy inputs on sustainable farms are predictable and relatively sustainable.

Slide 29 And this is the most important in understanding sustainable aspects of a farm, and that is input/output ratios are relatively stable. I'll get to that in a second.

Slide 30 So if that energy is coming from the farm itself, then that means you're not wasting energy getting those inputs to the farm. Now that's a problem for some people like me who have to go someplace to get my manure, there's embodied energy in the transportation of the input.

Slide 31 Returns to labor and energy inputs are sufficient to provide a local livelihood for producers. Small farmers in all of America are going out of business in droves, because they can't make a living at being a farmer. Part of that is because the bank may be very sympathetic when you can't make a payment on your $350,000 combine, but it's just business, right? Pay it or give us back your combine. And it's a part of the problem with industrial agriculture, the reason that farmers are going out of business, is because of the sheer costs of inputs and the machinery required for it.

Slide 32 I'm going to skip back to this, in not too long.

Slide 33 I want to go to this one. I can't tell you where I got all of these. I just didn't have time to give you citations for each of these numbers here, but here's a whole bunch of production systems. Some of them are in permanent fields, some of them are in shifting cultivation, some of them involve human labor, some of them involve animal traction. And so here, the Tongan cassava, the fourth one down there, are actually my data. And I calculated that by this. I had a farmer putting in some cassava on a field that I measured, and I just started counting the number of hours he spent putting in this cassava. It was the third crop in a rotation. And I estimated that he was spending, I think it was a liberal estimate of how hard he was working, but I estimated 400 kilocalories per hour, is about how hard he was working. You're sweating at that, at 400 kilocalories per hour, you're working out. But I said, let's err on the side of caution. I forget exactly what the numbers are, but the kilocaloric return on his investment on that parcel of cassava was astronomical, so I divided it all out, and he ended up getting almost 82 kilocalories for every kilocalorie of energy he put into that. That is sustainable agriculture right there. That is what you want to see. Now there are no other inputs in most of these systems except for labor and manure, and that shows up here when we show animal traction, and all of a sudden your rates of return go down, because the animals themselves need to be taken care of, and the manure needs to go out in the field and all that kind of stuff. But generally speaking, all of these except when we get to the bottom, which is the sad part, all of these are very efficient forms of agriculture in terms of input-output ratios, until we get to industrial agriculture. And then we see – this is common, this 10:1 ratio is a very common kind of statistic with regard to corn/soybean rotation. When we start making meat, eggs, and stuff out of it, then all of a sudden the input costs are astronomical, and this is even not to get the product to Kroger. This is just to grow the stuff. Because everybody knows that food really comes from Kroger. So add to that the cellophane. Add all this polystyrene and stuff, and by the time you pick it up in the store, the input costs are huge and it's impossible to do this without petroleum. It is quite literally, from here down, you can't do it. So all that's gone with loss of cheap oil. Am I right? All these systems up here can have the feasibility of remaining. All of these don't, it seems to me, unless I'm missing something.

Q: They can't be done that way.

A: Stevens: They can't be done that way, exactly. They can be done other ways, but they certainly can't be done by what is generating these numbers.

Slide 34 So I think that part of my answer is that the smallholders are the modern variant of Jeffersonian agrarian smallholders or farmers. We have plenty of examples in the anthropological literature of rural cultivators practicing intensive permanent agriculture in relatively dense, densely populated places. How that looks like from where we are now I'll get to in a second.

Slide 35 Agrarian smallholders calculate their interests over long stands of time, so they are disinclined to accept immediate technological fixes. They are conservative people. They are disinclined to default on expectation of market return, because they calculate their time not only for this season, not only for next season, but for the fact that they're going to pass on their farm to their son or their daughter. And they got it from their father and grandfather. And so instead of thinking about what I'm doing right now, most small farmers are thinking about, actually embody their family history, are living their heritage, and thinking, "I can't do this to the farm for an immediate return, because it's not about me." It's about Granddad, and it's about my great-grandson who hasn't been born, or my great-granddaughter. And that changes your vision, changes the way you manage your property.

The amount of accumulated knowledge – getting back to this idea of Wendell Berry's, that you ought to learn from your grandparents and so on and so forth, of the amount of accumulated knowledge that it takes to run an efficient, ecologically sustainable farm is an immense amount of knowledge, and you don't get that disproportionately from books. You get it from somebody who's got dirt under their nails and calluses on their hands.

Slide 32 Let me go back to that. Just a few of the things that you have to keep in mind, the species of plants you're growing, the species that are involved in a natural ecosystem, varieties of species of plants that you're growing, what kind of soil you've got, how that soil behaves under certain kind of tillage, how that soil behaves if it rains too much, how that soil behaves if it rains too little, how the plants in those soils behave if it rains too much or too little, the amount of stuff that farmers have to keep in mind, is immense, including the market conditions, because that's still part of the equation.

Slide 36 Smallholders, permaculturists, aren't just doing it on a horizontal scale. You're growing tree crops, you're growing bush crops. Now there are a lot of systems that are tropical, and some of this is more applicable to tropical systems, but I don't think it's entirely applicable at all only to tropical systems. Those are just the anthropological examples that we tend to have. So there is a huge amount of variation with regards to plant species.

Particularly community relations. Small farmers learn very quickly, and we have an example right here in Ohio, of the Amish. There are things that small farmers can't do by themselves, like build a barn. You're trying to hoist a whole side of 6x6's, you're not going to do it on your own, you know, unless you're one of those Incredibles guys. And so you need your community to help you build barns, to put in irrigation systems, to do all numbers of things. And so it is community-based, it is communitarian.

Slide 37 Here's an example from the Philippines of the kind of nutrients, recycling, and the kind of multistory production systems. And obviously this is a truncated kind of model, and farmers now – in Tonga, where I did my work, farmers are well aware of this. They're well aware of what kind of pests they've got to deal with, they're well aware of what kind of nutrient cycles they've got going on. They know that if they put chicken manure into this system here that the fish will eat the manure and when they get the muck out of the bottom of it, they've got this really ripe stuff that they can put immediately on their plants without burning it. They know all these kinds of things. The depth of their knowledge is remarkable. And they're not scientists. They're not sophisticated, scientific folks. I remember a farmer in Tonga who had a third-grade Tongan education, and so he wasn't well educated. But he was doing perfect trial-and-error field testing. I said, how do you know about which variety of plantains you want to grow? He said, well, I took this plot over here and I made sure that nothing else had been planted there for a long time, and I planted all the varieties of plantain that I knew, and I picked the ones that grew best. We've got Ph.D.'s at Ohio State that are doing that. Here's this Tongan farmer who's going, duh, trial-and-error, dude.

Slide 38 So, they're small in size, permanently located, densely rural populated areas, highly continuously productive, serve both subsistence and market demands. I think that that's what's really missing, and it's fairly typical of an industrial farm. You go to a stereotypical industrial farm and there are no animals, there might be a backdoor garden, but the entire farm is a factory. It's not about producing for the family, it's not about producing for the community, it's about making corn and soybeans so that we can do corn oil and stuff on the international markets.

One of the things that will come out of good sustainable agriculture in my opinion is local communitarian, labor-intensive, highly biodiverse farming. We've been doing it for a long time. So this is kind of redundant now.

Slide 39 We've got crop diversification, livestock production, manuring, terracing. There is a great picture of those terraces. Those take generations to build and generations to maintain, but once you've got them in place, you've got a very viable, long-term, highly sustainable, biodiverse system that will return huge amounts of grain for every kilocalorie you put into the field. Elaborate folk systems, including ritual systems that don't seem to make any sense, but that's part of the system too. If you've got to do some sort of religious thing to make you feel better about what you're doing, cool. Go with it. Whatever you want to believe, if that makes your crops grow, or even if it only makes you feel good about what you're doing, that's part of it too.

Slide 40 Labor is skilled and complementary, responsible. That means you're not hiring somebody you've never met before. You're hiring your neighbor or your son or your daughter to do it, you trust in what they're doing, their methods that they have applied over long periods of time.

Slide 41 Traction increases the amount of labor you need to do on the farm, but it still returns a favorable energy input/output ratio.

Slide 42 Productivity of unit of land is inversely related to farm size. The smaller the farm, the more production per unit of land. And that's because of great returns on investments of labor.

Slide 43 This is important too. In anthropological studies, one of the things that is really key is that there is a system of long-term intergenerational holding on the land, so that people can invest knowing that they're not just doing it for themselves, but for their progeny. It's not all about you. And they can do it without the tragedy of the commons. There are lots of systems where they have communal land held for certain resources, because it makes more sense to have large pieces of land for timber, for matting that you can get out of a forest, that should be held in common. But if you break the common rules, justice is swift. Because you're not just taking away from yourself or from the forest, you're taking away from the community and you're going to pay. So Garrett Hardin's idea of the tragedy of the commons because of freeloading is not entirely true. We have safeguards. People have safeguards in place to see that freeloaders don't get away with it.

Slide 44 Inequality of access is characteristic of smallholder agriculture, but it is not egregious inequality. Everybody gets to eat. In Tonga, where I went, there was lots of variation in wealth but nobody went hungry.

Slide 45 So they can be shown to be sustainably productive, biologically regenerative, energy efficient, equity enhancing, and participant and relatively socially just.

Slide 46 Here's an example of indigenous agriculture in the Philippines. This is a work by a guy named Harold Conklin, years ago. Now there are two varieties of cassava in the world, but this is only one of them. It doesn't finish there. That's just what's in the swidden field. There's also a backdoor garden. Medicinal plants. Also grown because they are pretty. I like this flower. I think I'll grow some.

Slide 47 And now here on the bottom, returns which for rice alone, the most labor intensive of crops is 2 _ kilograms per person per hour of invested labor in the long run.

Slide 48 What's this have to do with Ohio? Same principles of sustainable agriculture, local food distribution systems, hold for temperate climates as well as tropical climates. I showed you tropical climates. The difference is we'd better learn also how to store food, but look, our grandparents did it. It's not as if you need to be a rocket scientist. Just get the temperature up so you don't get botulism, everything's going to be all right. Local food systems, large varieties of vegetables and meats. I buy all of my meats from a local farmer. I haven't bought industrial meat in a long time, and I don't think I'm exceptional here. I buy as many vegetables as I can from local farmers. I haven't had a garden because I just moved to this new place, but when I've got my garden in, I can feed myself more or less from June until about October. If I'm really, if I had a lot of time on my hands, I can grow enough stuff to can a great proportion of my stuff as well. I don't have a big garden. I think a lot of people can do that. If your neighbor is helping you, and he is growing tomatoes, or she is growing tomatoes, and you're growing peppers, and you've got chickens, you can share your labor and share your resource to one another, build that kind of neighbor-to-neighbor relationship, and then you only need a small amount of land. And you could do it in suburbia. You can do it in your backyard.

Demand for local and organic foods is increasing at a consistent rate of 20% a year and every corporation in America knows that. What is sure if you're buying local organic food, it's also sustainably organic food. It's not confined animals being fed organic grain. That's not enough. It's got to be sustainable production. Know where you get your food. Know the guy or the woman you buy your food from. You can do that in Ohio. You can certainly do it in Berkeley. Okay, it's got to come in on a truck, but it's there.

Slide 49 MOON, Miami-Oxford-Organic Network, is brand new. We're trying to open up a storefront. We don't happen to have a quarter of a million dollars, but if you can help us figure out where to get one, I'll be open. And those are all external kind of impositions on us, but our goal is to open up a cooperative that will basically cater to local producers. And it brings together people from Indiana and all of these counties in Ohio, for southwestern Ohio, some education in seasonal eating and canning and storage techniques are required, will be part of the cooperative mission. But we can do all these things.

Slide 50 Sustainable organic systems of production are distinct from corporate marketing systems. They involve highly biodiverse cropping systems, humanitarian use of animals, crop rotation systems, maintaining the soil fertility, no use of toxic pesticides, local distribution system, and structuring a local distribution system is tough. But I think that's part of a deal.

Slide 51 You can involve in your rotation system at least in principle, cellulosic ethanol production as part of a pasturage system, done very carefully, it seems to me.

Slide 52 So I'm kind of wanting to end on a positive note. Humans have been doing agriculture for a long time, and disproportionately without petroleum. In principle, I believe that we can – I won't say go back – we can continue the tradition of non-petroleum-based agriculture. You're going to get dirty. I had a student say to me one time, "but I don't want to work in a garden." My response to her was, you're not hungry enough. My suspicion is that with peak oil, we will all get hungry enough if we haven't figured out how to do this, and I think that that's it.

Question and Answer Session
Q: I very much enjoyed your presentation. I can't recall the first part of the question but the second part had to do with using human manure for fertilizer.

A: Stevens: Grains disproportionately take a lot of space and so that's the only problem there. So that would require, it seems to me, animal traction, but we grew grains for a long time without tractors or petroleum. I'm not a farmer. I wish I was, in some ways, so I can't answer entirely your question. Potatoes are fun. Let your kids grow the potatoes, it's like a treasure hunt for them. They also take a little bit of space too. But the deer don't like them, so that's a good thing. And your other question was … The Chinese, the Japanese, and the Thai people have been recycling human waste into agricultural production for a long time, and there are systems to do that, for composting human wastes that I don't know very much about, but I note that they are beginning to be used. I'm not a toxicologist or a parasitologist, but my suspicion is that our digestive tract may have to get used to some of the consequences of using that. But I think it's completely doable. If you can compost it, if the compost pile gets warm enough, then I think that whatever concerns we may have about using human waste for fertilizer can be remedied by an efficient composting system. That's kind of out of my range.

I do think there is a type of fertilizer we're not tapping. I think there are a lot of taboos in our culture about our human waste and getting away from us. Americans tend to be – we're into antibacterial soap, the whole trip about germs. And there's some truth to that. But it seems to me that that's a lot of energy embodied in that manure that we ought to use.

Q: In the breakdown earlier, I mentioned Reuben Brenner, he lives in Canada, and one of his ideas is mobility of capital. He points out that capital comes from five ways: inheritance, savings, capital markets, and the other two are not too appealing. The government can pay you, or crime. He says that these are the five sources of capital. Have you ever given any thought to how mobility of capital relates to this, or let me leave it as a challenge to you?

A: Stevens: That would be the best thing, since my answer to your first question is no, I have never thought about mobility of capital. My bias, and I'm not an economist, so my bias is that some of our most fondly held economic ideologies are going to have to be eroded. Wes Jackson and those guys talk about contrary to mobility, they talk about rootedness. About knowing a place very well, and the capital that is inherent in that, in that place, that is not mobile. Now I am obviously talking completely off the top of my head, I'm not an economist. So I can't answer your question. The first thing I'll do when I get back to Oxford is look it up.

The question was based on a concern that the idea of agrarianism could be co-opted by political interests as the Nazi regime in Germany did with naturalism.

I would agree. And I intended to respond that the same kind of risk exists in any other kind of philosophy that I can envision. So agrarianism is certainly not alone in being corrupted by alternative visions. Capitalism comes to mind. And the same regime that you were talking about was clearly capitalist, right? BMW was very busy doing some highly profitable egregious things with slave labor in the 1940's. So I don't think that agrarianism is alone in being at risk of being coopted. I don't know what else to say. I think that we have to be vigilant and be truthful to some sort of an idiom that I think is communitarian and isn't all about us as individuals.


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Pat Murphy Presentation: Low-Energy Lifestyle: Lessons from Cuba
Slide 1 I gave my first talk on peak oil in this room a little over two years ago. Like many people, when I first learned about it, I was very upset. I noted in my talk then that the problem looked serious and no one had any idea what to do. An Antioch attending said, "you should go to Cuba. They've already solved the problem." I wondered what in the world he was talking about. But I did some further research and found he had a good point. That's what I'm going to talk about today.

Slide 2 Lets review the energy situation. First the problem is that we're going to run out of oil and we're going to have to do something about it.

Slide 3 Secondly, the decline could be steep. This is a chart by Richard Duncan which shows energy production per capita. He shows an industrial civilization interval lasting from about 1930 to 2030. This means we might be moving back into a 1930s kind of lifestyle, which I personally don't think should be a matter of concern, and I'm going to explain why.

Slide 4 I don't think so called alternatives are going to fill the gap. I learned a lot from David Blume here, and I certainly have to review my own thoughts on biofuels. There's probably more there to be gained than I may have thought. Nonetheless, even though we have alternatives that are rapidly growing, I don't believe that they can ever replicate the amount of fossil fuel energy we're currently using. So I'm focused on how do reduce the amount of energy we consume.

Slide 5 My view is that the best response to peak oil is to change the American way of life. Let's change our lifestyle. Our presidents say the American way of life is not negotiable. I don't really think it's a question of negotiation. You don't exactly negotiate with a hurricane or a typhoon. If this is the way nature is going to handle it, then we must adapt to it. This is simply a new way of life that is a low-energy lifestyle. It's said that humans have been around for 7,000 or 15,000 years. Charlie Stevens in his Agrarian talk pointed out that we didn't have any trouble with agriculture until 50 years ago. So I don't think there's any question that we're going to become sustainable. It's just a question of how we are going to do it.

Slide 6 There can be a lot of exciting things that can happen everywhere in the country. There's going to be work done in cities, and there will be some innovative things done in suburbia. My goal is just on small local low energy communities. I don't offer this as the solution. I just offer it as the one solution on which I'm focused. I think people are happier and life is better in small towns. I have read reports that state every time you make a survey, people say they would prefer to live in small communities. I think they can be much more energy efficient. The fundamental aspect of small community philosophy is one of cooperation as opposed to the general world of competition. And I think social interaction is preferred to consumer goods.

I only recently moved to Yellow Springs, but I've been visiting it for about 16 years. Every time I came back to Yellow Springs, I noticed that people don't seem to have very many fancy clothes, and they don't have fancy houses, and their cars are a little bit questionable. But they all have a good time, and they're always talking to each other, and they seem to be going to a lot of parties. I think in general social interaction is what humans do best and enjoy most. I once heard a lecture from Humberto Matarana, who wrote a lot on languages. He said if you look at the design of the human hand, it's designed for stroking, not for making tools and technology. So community gives us a cultural view that is satisfied with a low energy lifestyle, and doesn't view the coming change as some great loss.

Slide 7 How do we take the first step? We first should decide about what a low energy place might look like, list some of the main categories, and list some alternatives. Then we can see if we can get there and just how hard that will be. I'm going to talk about this first and then explain what the Cubans did when they experienced peak oil with almost no warning.

Slide 8 A low energy lifestyle will certainly mean more walking and cycling, and less driving. There will be reduced sizes of meals, houses, and cars. It isn't too hard to translate that immediately into better physical health. I think we will have more home economics, where people are actually working in the home, like Harvey Baker talked about yesterday. He told about the way he works, and other aspects of a way of life where you don't live a completely separate life, with parents going off and leaving the kids to be baby-sit by CNN or whoever does that. I think there will be less mobility. People will not move as much for jobs, and that means they're not going to break the bonds of community that they've had and try to recreate it in some different place. I think we're going to have a lot of live, local entertainment. There's a lot of entertainment that goes on here in Yellow Springs, and you saw an example of it last night. These guys are great artists and tomorrow, I hope they will come over and finish remodeling my porch, since they're also great carpenters. But they incorporate both in their way of being. I think there's a higher quality of life, which is a benefit from a lower material standard of living. Many, many social indices show a declining quality of life in the U.S. The faster the GDP goes up, the more these other indices decline. There's a tremendous book called Bowling Alone, written by a sociologist did a study of what he calls social capital, which is another term for community. He shows in a very well researched scientific book, that the more economies have been growing and the more oil we've been using, the worse ordinary life gets.

Slide 9 So it's contrary to the current American way of life, but you know the American way of life has not always been a way of consuming. I was raised in the Ozarks and we never talked about consuming or things like that. We talked about baseball, and as we got older, whether we'd get a date, and similar aspects, but we didn't really focus on spending and getting stuff. And prudence and thriftiness were always important to us. In terms of our American life style, we're leaving a tremendous legacy of things like nuclear waste and CO2. I had lunch today with a couple of people and we talked about the plans for the new devil word, "sequestration," in which you take all the carbon from the carbon fuels, mix them with some god-awful chemical and pump them into the ocean, where they're supposed to sink and not do any harm. We have to take into consideration our children and grandchildren, and for not bet the world on some exotic technology.

Slide 10 I'm going to touch on the main categories relative to communities and energy. I work in most of these other areas, but I will focus on these top four.

Slide 11 If you look at food in the last century, we have increased the cultivated area by a third, the total harvest by six times. World population has almost quadrupled, and fossil fuel use has increased by 150 times. So the "green revolution," this wonderful thing that we created that was trick the seeds a little bit and put oil and natural gas on the ground to feed the plants. You can triple the yields with these fossil fuels. And it has worked for awhile, but with great devastation.

Slide 12 My sister, who is attending the conference today, said, "You forgot to put something here about health." She pointed out that a third of the people in this room will probably get cancer. And we talked about how cancer is a disease of modern civilization, a civilization based on fossil fuels. Therefore, cancer is partially based on fossil fuels. That is an equation to kick around. Also we have growing obesity rates now. Industrial agriculture operates with tremendous wastefulness in terms of the fossil fuel required. It's inefficient; it injures the environment and wildlife, things that have been covered in great detail by other speakers, and its not all that healthy.

Slide 13 We need to look at the energy intensity of high versus low-energy food. We must reduce frozen and packaged foods consumption. One of the many things that we don't realize is that scattered across the country are many buildings partially buried with machines that are using fossil fuels to keep the green beans frozen until we're ready to eat them in the future. The organic food movement is self-explanatory. It's really been pleasing for me to hear how many people are aware of the fact that on a per acre basis, we can produce more food and better food. In terms of jobs, I think there will be tens of millions of new farmers needed, and I'm going to talk about this later relative to the workforce. Labor intensive farming is better for the soil and more productive. I often ask groups how many people would like to farm. And I've discovered there's somewhere around 15-20% of people who raise their hands. Some people love farming, some people love building web pages. And I don't think there will be any shortage of farmers as long as they are paid what they are worth. There is a great writer, Folke Gunther in Sweden who says that we can get a 5:1 energy reduction in our crops with not too much effort.

Slide 14 Some of the other changes needed are organizations like CSAs. We will use animal traction rather than tractors. Animal traction is much more healthy for the soil. We will use the sun and wind for drying foods. And hopefully everyone will start to take food and agriculture responsibly. We can no longer remain ignorant of energy and health issues. I think someday that people will go to get medical insurance. They will take a physical and someone will measure obesity factors and set a premium of $300 a month for people in poor shape. And then maybe we'll get it. Bad habits can be expensive. Finally, I think food growing and nutrition should be part of the school curriculum.

Slide 15 Here's an example of two different ways of growing. On the left, we have the fundamental choice of fields that are live and interesting to look at, and on the right, we have the miles and miles of what I think are Brussels sprouts.

Slide 16 What about car energy? That's always a big one. By the way, I want to remind you that Charlie Stevens pointed out that we've been doing agriculture for a long time, and he doesn't have any worry about future food supplies. And I said, that's good, because I've been figuring out how we can do all these other things real easy, but I was worried about agriculture. So my mind is now put at ease about food and I'd like to put yours at ease about transportation. We can make cars smaller and lighter, and we can also drive less. I drive a lot less now, because I simply ask myself if the trip is necessary. And it turns out, most of them aren't. There are a lot of times I want to get in my car and go to Young's and get some ice cream but I don't need it. We know from the 1970's that we can drive slower, and we know that we have very high improvements in fuel economy by a 20-30% reduction of the speed limit. We can give up solitary driving. We currently move 1.3 people per trip and we can easily move that to 3 passengers per trip. This, by the way, does affect one aspect of the current American way of life, which is, "I don't want to ride with a stranger or anybody else. This is my time alone." But those are indulgences I don't think we can afford any longer. And we will start the development of better public transportation.

Slide 17 I think carpooling and ride-sharing will predominate for a long time, and I think hitchhiking will become an acceptable norm. I wrote a car share paper which is on our Web site. My background is engineering, and so I look at things as design problems. I was very pleased to know that all these permaculture people here, who I admire so much, are also designers. And as an engineer, I feel a more at home with them now. In terms of my design I asked what you could do if everybody had a cell phone, and there are all these cars available to share, and we decide that we want to go somewhere. For example someone here says that they have to leave the conference at 3:15. They would pick up their cell phone and dial a number and get the operator or some computer system, which tells them my mother-in-law is driving through town at that time. She had previously informed the operator or computer system about her trip. So she is called and told to drop in here at 3:15 and pick Charlie up and take him over there. This is, in terms of the technology, just about as trivial as you can get. We put God knows how many hundreds of millions of dollars into airline reservation systems to do something like this, and adapting reservation technology to a personal transportation system would technically be easy. And I think we will see older modes of transportation coming back, and of course, we need a reduction of the speed limit.

Slide 18 Here are some examples to consider when we think about what options are available. This is a car that was first available in 1999. It's the Honda Insight. My wife and I bought a Honda last year. It gets 64 miles per gallon, and it's really sporty to drive. It's a good feeling driving a high mileage car.

Slide 19 This is the Volkswagen Lupa. It gets 78 miles per gallon.

Slide 20 This so called "Smart" car is really cute. I've been going to Europe lately, and these are all over Europe, and they're very attractive. They paint them amazing colors. You see them sometimes go in backwards into a parking spot. It's an incredible car, and I can see Europeans like driving them. The car gets 69 miles per gallon against our U. S. national average of about 22 miles per gallon.

Slide 21 This is a Volkswagen research model. It provides 8 horsepower maximum and gets 235 miles per gallon. It looks futuristic, but it's light and it's low powered, and we could make those available quickly.

Slide 22 Now I want to talk about homes of the future. I used to be a builder, and in the 1970's, I was building houses in California when the oil crisis of that period occurred. That was an interesting time. My builder friends and I we would talk about doing something like building a 2 x 6 wall instead of a 2 x 4 wall to save energy. People would say, "two inches! We're not giving up 2 inches." And you'd tell them it's just around the outside edge of the house. And they'd refuse. But as soon as the crisis hit, people were saying, why not a 2 x 8 wall? So there was an immediate shift in the approach to house design - it just changed overnight. We will have more cohousing and things like eco-villages. When you go to places like Earthhaven and Celo, you see this is already being done. I think the houses will include gardens. Jan Lundberg of Culture Change talks about biological pavement, referring to the lawns on which we put a lot of chemicals and then use machines to mow and keep them flat and green. They will disappear. My wife and I gave up raking our leaves except for the front, because we don't want to offend the neighbors. We let the leaves fall and they seem to disappear, and grass does come back next year. And there are other techniques, things that were common in the past in this country, and they're still common around the world. All are going to be used, including processes like rain water capture and storage.

Slide 23 I'm looking at how to reduce energy use by a factor of 4. Can we decrease house energy by a factor of 4? Today the average new house size is a little less than 2400 square feet. In 1950, the average house size was 1000 square foot. But between now and 1950 the average family size became smaller. The average house around the world is less than 500 square feet.

Slide 24 You may feel you need a McMansion, but if it comes down to it, you'll be able to do everything you're doing in your house in a lot less space. You won't have to work as much because you won't have to make as big a payment. Increasing wall, roof and floor thickness is very basic. In the 1970's, I was building a solar house and I investigated how the Swedes and the Norwegians did it. So there's no rocket science here – just make the envelope thicker. We can also reduce the amount of windows, and we can double and triple glaze the windows. We can use flash and solar water heaters, and thick refrigerators and freezers. All this is 1970 technology. My brother-in-law and my mother-in-law have been using Sunfrost refrigeratiors for years. These are appliances with thick well insulated sides. We can use heat storage in various ways, like passive solar or rock and water storage. These techniques have also been known since the '70s. To me, being a builder and an engineer, shelter design is really pretty straightforward. You make the shells as thick as possible and you don't put as many openings in them. This is some of the work done at the Oak Ridge Cold Climate Development labs. Also, you note one of the big differences is small capacity, single-unit heating systems, rather than these very, very leaky forced-air systems. This is a minor inconvenience, but a major saving. There have been amazing insulation technology improvements since the 1950's, as well as new kinds of glass. Probably the most efficient thing going, if you were going to do any type of energy return on energy investment, is modern insulation.

Slide 25 So we currently build high energy houses, some as big as 5000-6000 square feet. You spend a lot of money, and as I said, the average new home is about 2400 square feet.

Slide 26 But all across the country, we find great low-energy homes from Habitat for Humanity. They're less than 1000 square feet. These are still much greater than the average size in the world. Millard Fuller, who is the founder of Habitat for Humanity, once said, "when I started building, we were building houses for something like the lower 40% of the population, and now we're building them for the lower 13% of the population, because we have a maximum of 1000 sq. feet." He was pointing out that people were no longer satisfied with that size. The real tragedy is, they are no longer available, so we're not sure they wouldn't be satisfifactory. Habitat for Humanity is working with Oak Ridge National labs to come up with a zero-energy house. Millard Fuller continues to provide affordable housing of high quality, and now he's going to add a low energy component.

Slide 27 I think cities will become smaller. Folke Gunther, to whom I previous referred, points out that you have to replace each building about every 60 years on average. If you plan it wisely, then you just don't replace them in the same place. He has a model of a city evolving over a period of time by a process which opens up the green areas, and the replacement structure are in a village some distance away. You take that concentrated city and then you shrink it down with a lot of green areas interspersed, and relocate buildings into the outlying areas. You have to spend the money to do this, but you use a little intelligence and redistribute buildings. I believe and hope that small rural towns will grow and flourish, and that lot sizes will shrink so we can be closer. I think we will have a lot of new energy systems. People know a lot about them – these technologies have been around now for a long time.

Slide 28 The big issues will be cultural values, and land use. I think people will live locally and they'll learn quickly to enjoy it. Harvey pointed out the problems of zoning. How can you mix things? And I think these obstacles will collapse rapidly when peak oil becomes well known. Zoning will change. When we finally understand the concept of energy return on energy invested, and we actually use that in everything we do, we will learn to look at things in terms of their energy, and then our analysis will be fairly simple.

Slide 29 Now I get to talk about something I love. When I first heard about Cuba, I tried to figure out how to go there, and of course, the government forbids most travel. But I finally got there through the Global Exchange program. Cuba is unique in the world today. We're talking about our oil use and reducing it, worry if it will be 2% or 3% per year – or even 5%? Cuba reduced their oil use over 50% in one year. Castro announced on that things were going to be a little difficult and one week later, the oil tankers from Russia stopped coming in. There was no idea of "we should take six months and think this through." They got very little warning. Per capita energy use in Cuba is now running between 1/15th and 1/20th of the U.S. per capita use. Cuba is changing from an industrial to an agrarian society. Sometimes you'll hear them speak or write about a modernized peasantry. They realized they had little choice. So they're now deep into and not lamenting the fact that they are moving more and more away from industrialism and more towards agrarianism. In doing that, they put a lot of their efforts into things like biotechnology, not genetic engineering. They asked how can you come up with a better worm for worm castings, and how can you deal with this field over here in west Cuba that has a particular infestation. What kind of biological agents can you use?

Part of the issue is determining what we are going to do in a low energy world. If I'm not worried about the next car or the addition to the house and getting the latest fashion styles, what am I going to think about? Cuba is focused on building human resources. They decided to invest in the people. They have excellent medical care, with far more doctors per capita than we do. Teaching is a major priority for them. So their goal is have really top notch medical care, great schools, and we're many sports programs. So their national strategy is to focus on sports which helps health and team work and is very low energy. You get out and run a few miles every day and you get better, and then you have a contest.

Slide 30 In 1991, the Soviet personnel left Cuba when the Soviet Union collapsed, and ended their subsidies, which were $6 billion annually. Cuba's GDP went down 85% in the first two years. The population lost weight, the average Cuban losing 20 pounds. There was a 30% per capita calorie decline, and there were several thousand cases of blindness from malnutrition. It was very, very tough. There was a huge decrease in the material standard of living. There is a Cuban woman in Dayton who is working at a university here, and she asked me to visit her mother when I last went to Cuba. I did so and had a great time talking to the mother. I asked if I could interview her, because I was making a film on Cuba. She said, absolutely. We talked about everything, but when I asked her what life was like during the special period, she said that she couldn't talk about it. It was just too painful.

So Cuba went through hell, but they came out of it, and I think in conditions that were far worse than anything we're facing.

Slide 31 On one of my trips, I talked to an economist and asked what the difference was between Cuban economics and other economics? He said, if we screw up, somebody dies. So we can't screw up. We come up with economic systems and we model them and we run a test, and then we do it. There is no sitting around, talking and theorizing. Everything has to have an immediate practical result. When food supplies decreased, one of the first thing Cuba did was to introduce private farms and farmer markets. Cuba had been operation off the Communist model. They had collectivized into huge farms. They studied that for a few months and then announced that approach was gone forever. We are no longer going to do that in the food part of the economy. So the farms became much smaller. They began a major breeding program for oxen and converted to animal traction. They showed that you can get more food per acre by labor-intensive animal traction, than you can in any form of industrial agriculture. They use their limited oil resources to generate electricity. The private automobile usage decreased rapidly.

Slide 32 Today their economy is growing at a steady rate. The food production is up to 90% of the pre-crisis period. I don't have a number here, but probably the agriculture energy inputs are down 90-95%. They're doing very little new housing. It's a country that uses cement block. Most of the building is remodeling. This is something we too will face. Cement is highly energy intensive. The transportation is basically everybody sharing vehicles. Medical care and education are above the previous levels. When we were there last, they had reached their national goal of a classroom size of 15 students per teacher. I don't know what ours is now, but I think its 20 or higher.

When you have oil supplies dropping and transportation going to hell, the medical care is very important because the first thing people want is to live. You've got to have good medical care. And the second thing people want is that their children have a good life, which means good means education. So as long as you maintain those two priorities, then good things will happen. These are not our national priorities. Our national priorities are something else.

Slide 33 The Cuban food changes were very interesting. They became involuntary vegetarians. Older Cubans do not always like the new diets. Traditionally they liked pork, but pork was in short supply. I asked one man his views on the food. He said he did not like it but he knew it was a healthier diet and his daughter was eating in a healthier way and enjoying it. They've increased their vegetable and starch consumption. They have decreased their wheat and rice production, because this is a green revolution crop and requires a lot of energy inputs. But in recent years, they've learned how to grow rice without high energy inputs. So rice is making a comeback.

Slide 34 The urban gardens are fascinating. Small farms are everywhere. A huge part of the land is under cultivation. If a person sees an empty plot of land in Havana and wants to farm it, they just write a business plan and submit it to the government. The government reviews the business plan and if it is reasonable – it's theirs to farm.

In the rural areas, education for farmers was improved. Cuba realized that they had to stop the drift from the country to the city, and make it go the other way. One of the things they did was make country living more attractive. Originally the University of Havana was centralized. They decentralized it and distributed it out into the provinces. Cuba is always focusing on how can we decentralize, moving things out of Havana, and into the rural areas. Farmers, by the way, are very well paid. The average successful farmer makes more than the average engineer, and close to what the average doctor makes.

If you think about farming and energy, you realize you can't keep driving and hauling tomatoes hundreds of miles to Havana. Then you realize that if you move the farm to Havana, You don't have to transport the food. How do you move a farm? One way is to build raised beds on parking lots or poor soil, haul in some good soil and start planting. Where they didn't have good soil, they would build raised beds. The last time I was there, I visited a farm and asked why they didn't have raised beds, because we saw raised beds in many places. I was told that raised beds are used when the soil needs building up. The particular farm had good soil, so they didn't use the beds. Things have been designed so that rather than moving the food around the country, you bring in soil grow locally. And they do this very successfully.

Slide 35 This is a beautiful farm. This is what they call the modernized peasant. I call it the modernized agrarian, because "peasant" to us is pejorative. He earns more money than an engineer. This particular farm is a feminist farm. There were 13 women that founded the farm and it as a collective. They make joint decisions. I pointed out that I had seen a large number of men working. They said they let men in but they can't vote. So it's a feminist farm but the men work there under different rules. There was a lot of entrepreneurship like this in Cuba.

Slide 36 Oxen replaced many of the tractors. They started a huge breeding program and training for oxen. Tractors really compact the soil, and the oxen are much easier on the land.

Slide 37 This is one of the amazing rooftop gardens. Much of their theory is based on permaculture, introduced from Australia. I asked how that happened. They said that during the Special Period, some Australians arrived to help, carrying their sleeping bags and bringing boxes of food, because they didn't know what they were going to find. They thought maybe they were going to come into a famine zone. The permaculture people came to help and as a result permaculture is well known in Cuba.

Slide 38 This is a rooftop food system. It's a combination of rabbits, chickens, and hamsters. And this is the covered area and on the right is grass growing areas for the rabbits. The rabbits' poop goes to the chickens, and the hamsters clean up everything underneath. The grower markets meat to the neighbors. This is a local system in Havana that is providing the needs for the neighborhood.

Slide 39 This is another urban garden. The big tower behind is the equivalent of our pyramid or Washington Monument. Behind it are all the government buildings. This would be like having a huge farm on the edge of the Potomac River in Washington. The farm leader was very charismatic. I asked how he ran the farm, was it a collective? He replied that he ran the farm, that he was the president, the CEO. He explained the bonus payment system. It was really like talking to an American manager. They have a chart of the bonus system along with production charts. One level of worker gets 300 pesos a month, managers get 400, and the president gets 500. I asked how he got to be president and he said he was elected by the workers. If the people don't like him then he does not get re-elected. He was on his third term and planned to run for re-election again. This was very different than the feminist farm. What was apparent in Cuba was major innovation in both farming and organization. I think that the problem was too big for a government solution so the people designed their own way of doing things.

In Cuba, there is a constant effort to push everything down to the local level. There are a series of organizations, in a city or neighbor area, and after a while, if it doesn't work, organizations will be formed at the neighborhood level. The strategy is to push everything out as far as possible from the top and get it down to the neighborhood and to the village level.

Slide 40 The housing situation is poor. You can't move to Havana now unless you have a guaranteed space, which is very hard to get. There has been a major effort to develop the rural areas. There is more square feet per person available in the rural areas than in Havana. The house sizes are small, maybe 1/4th the amount of square feet per person of the U.S. This factors into my view of how to cut energy use by four. So there is about a 4:1 ratio. 80% of the Cubans own their own homes free and clear. Presumably 67% of Americans own their home, but they really own it with a bank. The Cubans own their own homes without a mortgage. The homes are much smaller, simpler and of course much more affordable.

Slide 41 This is a contemporary eco village. We are far out in the country, but there is still a very dense, compact sort of rural housing. These are probably 900 square feet per house. There are a few individual houses scattered around, but they are trying to keep things clustered because you don't want to take up too much soil. And you don't want to have a lot of space, because you have to heat it and it takes more materials to make it. They are reducing their standard of living, going to a low-energy way of life.

Slide 42 Their furnishings are very simple. We might have a Kitchen-Air range and $10,000 worth of cabinets. They have a sink and a cook stove. Things are at a minimal level. They have fairly simple wooden furniture and some wardrobes, but very few built-ins.

Slide 43 Transportation is fascinating. As I said before, everything is used. On one of my last trips, I was driving around Cuba on a Sunday and I noticed people in dump trucks who were standing and jammed in very tightly. The people were on their way to the beach – hitchhiking is an accepted alternative. All the young people hitchhike, and in some cases, it is illegal not to pick up hitchhikers. They have a highway patrol represented by people in yellow suits. All the license plates have a designation and a color. If there is any government vehicle passing by, the highway patrol stops it and loads it with people who want a ride. Sometimes people pay for rides and other times they don't.

Slide 44 This is a Cuban invention. They have a lot of these trailers, probably from Bulgaria, and they wondered how they could get mass transportation. They were not going to go down and start digging tunnels into the ground to put in subways. They used sheet metal to put these conveyances together. It is called a "camel" and it carries 300 passengers. The fare is a peso which is a few pennies. They are always packed.

Slide 45 If you go to the country, you see other examples of entrepreneurship. Someone put sides on the truck, put a tarp over it, welded stairs on the back, and had a bus.

Slide 46 You also have in the country horse-drawn units, and all have a legitimate taxi license.

Slide 47 Cuba had to innovate rapidly when their oil supplies were halted. There was no time or money for light rail or any other development. They had to do something quick and cheap. They added incentives to agriculture, incorporated some free market principles, paying people well if they did well. It was a major change from the socialist system. The government stopped regulating many things. The change was much more of a social transformation than a technical one. There was no major move to solar panels or wind turbines although there are a few such devices. The transition worked to a great extent because of the Cuban focus cooperation. Competition is not their principal social driver, but rather cooperation, certainly an example of community spirit. I once wrote a long letter about Cuba to an energy web site pointing out what they had achieved. I got a response that they were socialists, and that's the only reason they survived and Americans won't do that. This was an amazing retort. I then sent these same people the address for the Fellowship of Intentional Communities, which is a great place for community information. Messages came back pointing out they too were socialist and communists. Some people would rather die than modify the American economic way of life.

Slide 48 The medical system did not collapse. Free medical care remained a top priority. Cubans have the same lifespan as Americans, and they have far more doctors per capita. There is much more effort on prevention. The doctors must live in the neighborhoods that they serve. People tell us stories about the a doctor walking down the street, and bumping into a man carrying a chunk of pork and smoking. The doctor gives a lecture on heart disease and diet. So they're really involved in prevention, because they cannot afford to do lots of bypasses.

Slide 49 Cuba has tremendous health care, a great education program, and a healthy diet. They have free education through high school. Higher education is limited but it also is free. Men retire at 60 and women at 55. The food supply is very healthy and adequate but it is not plentiful and it's not rich. Sometimes it's very, very plain. There are very few material goods. They cannot afford consumption. So it's an example of genteel poverty, except I find them a very happy people.

Slide 50 It's definitely a low-energy lifestyle. They changed from an industrial priority to agrarian. Of course, they're not out of the woods yet. Things are still tough, and the United States' pressure makes it even more difficult.

Slide 51 Community Solutions' view is that peak oil is coming, and denial is going to be short-lived. It will change our way of life, and I'm here to talk about what we will do. We're educating and modeling the transition. Our focus is to build a model village, where we use materials and energy more like Cuba than what we are currently doing. We plan to use 1/4th the energy. And I don't think that's difficult once we get through the psychological problems.

Slide 52 I want to give you a personal example. My wife and I moved here a couple of years ago from California and we determined to live simpler. We moved into a 600 square foot apartment from an 1800 square foot house. We thought this would be tough, but we moved in, and about 2 weeks later, I had forgotten that we had ever lived in more space. We have our furniture stored, and every once in a while we go shopping by visiting the storage place see possessions that we'd forgotten about and pick the ones we need. We now have chickens. We're raising eggs for the neighborhood. If the neighbors complain, we give them some eggs, and they back off. We're gardening, and the next door neighbors offered us their yard to use next year. We replaced a furnace in the house with efficient units and we're going to do more. We're going to be building six-inch walls on the inside and figuring out how to design and build window covers, because we're going to get down to that 4:1 level.

Slide 53 I think it's important to remember what Albert Einstein said. We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them.

And he further said that this mess that we're living in is really a disastrous byproduct of the scientific and technical mentality. That's the mentality that says we can't live without machines, that this is the only way to live. Machines run on fossil fuels. They won't last forever and they will always pollute. What we're calling for here major changes and a different way of life. I'm real happy with the idea of windmills and solar panels and all the rest of that, but I'm not going to wait till we figure out how much energy they can supply.

Question and Answer Session
Q: I read that when Russia had its collapse, the Mafia came in when they started to privatize things. Why did that not happen in Cuba?
A: What happened in Russia was they bought into the free market and structural readjustment and all those other World Bank terms, and they didn't have any of the limits that the U.S. has have, and when you have rampant winner-take-all economic, you normally get something like a Mafia to develop. I think that's what happened. Russia had no way to control the grab for resources and they've ended up in this ghastly mess.

Q: What about North Korea?
A: I really don't know anything about it. There's a writer named Dale Pfeiffer who writes for From the Wilderness, and he's written a long essay on North Korea as well as one on Cuba. But I wouldn't be able to even comment on the North Korea situation.

Q: How does Cuba deal with hurricanes?
A: I can comment on that. The Cubans have an amazing early warning system and a way of dealing with the damage that occurs, because those hurricanes come through and destroy whole swathes of the country. So when they get their hurricane warnings, which are broadcast on television, the hurricane passage is watched very carefully. Food and water are moved to those areas, so when the hurricanes do come through, there's very little loss of life. Basically they are well prepared for them.

Q: How do they handle pollution, and also, we've seen some films on the infrastructure, that it looks pretty bad in most places.
A: If you mean the infrastructure such as buildings and roads, yes it is very bad. In Havana they are doing triage for those buildings that are starting to deteriorate. They decide to save one and let the others collapse. You have to be really careful on the roads. I think they are letting a lot of these industrial artifacts go as they focus on food and rural development.

They are focused on pollution control. I should mention that Cuba is very busy reforesting the nation. They were at 12% at the revolution, and they are now at 17 or 18%, and heading for 24%. The main river that runs through Havana has been cleaned up quite successfully. But the main contribution is that so they don't use many pollutants, particularly agricultural ones. So if you don't dump fertilizers on the crops, it doesn't have that big an effect.

Q. Castro stopped the dollar usage last month, because of some of the things the United States did.
A. Yes, that's already happened. I am not sure of the details.

Q. Question on diet and protein deficiency.
A. As I said earlier, the diet is up to 90% of its previous levels. Meat is expensive, so if there is a protein deficiency, I wouldn't be surprised. In terms of sugar, they are trying to get away from being nothing but a producer of sugar for the West. They are reducing the acreage for sugar crops and increasing the acreage for vegetables.

Q: I assume they don't use air conditioning there in a very widespread way, but it must be extremely hot and humid for half the year. What is a typical day like in July for a worker? A: Hot and humid. For a while I lived in Texas, and it was really hot and humid. I even spent time in Houston before air conditioning. And I used to play tennis with my brothers in the summer and I'd maybe lose 3 or 4 pounds. But if you're raised in that, like in India or other hot places, it doesn't affect you that much. The farmers work day is 6 to 6 _ hours a day, and they stagger the time. They'll work early in the morning and take off during the heat of the day, and then work in the evening.

Q: David Blume has brought up some amazing things about alcohol, and I'm curious if the production of alcohol as a fuel has been something that they've capitalized on.
A: I don't remember anything about that; I don't know whether they're doing it or not. David? David Blume: It has not been a major part of their efforts, and also it hasn't been going on that long. Cuba is really reluctant to get very dependent on the United States. A lot of American farmers want to sell to Cuba, and some of that is being allowed. Pat Murphy: Also what's being allowed – even though they are horrible Communists – is shipment of drugs to the U.S. They have some really good drugs for AIDS, so the embargo has been lifted in that case. You can bring drugs from Canada into the United States.

Q. Air traffic question
A: Well, they have an airline but I'm not sure how frequently it flies. What they have tried to do is make the rural areas somewhat self-sustaining, so in some places, for example, they'll have boarding schools because you just can't ride these buses back and forth. They tried to move services out in the rural areas and make them self-sustainable, so that there's no need to drive to Wal-Mart, if they had any.

Q: How much of their agriculture is being done by ox power, and the second question is, what evidence did you see of the young people, say, teenagers, especially, or even younger, being involved in agriculture?
A: I had a great experience of being at a clinic in the mountains on a coffee plantation visiting the nurse. As she showed us the clinic we heard some raucous noise, which sounded like teenagers. We went over to the area and found a group of teens having lunch. They saw us and came running over. They were a lot of fun. They had three teachers there. I started talking to the teachers, and I said, "what are you doing?" and they said, "we're out here picking coffee." That was part of the curriculum. Every student in Cuba since the special period puts in one month a year in the fields, and then sometimes people will go for a second month. It's part of the Cuban curriculum to actually work in the fields.

On a previous trip, we had four teachers in our party. At one point after we visited a school, they all started crying. They were moved and said that the school was an example of why they began teaching. They were from California and education is very difficult. I asked one of the teachers of the coffee pickers about how Cuban education was changing. He said that they had discovered, particularly with high school students, that moving them through classes is not what's needed. They were changing this so that the students can identify with a single adult or a few adults, and move through their high school years with these teachers. The teachers get support on the subjects from other staff but the focus is on having teachers work with the same students for years.

Q. What is the ratio of tractor to oxen.
A. I think the majority of traction is oxen, but there's still a lot of tractors. It takes a while to breed the oxen.

Q: I saw Frances Moore Lappe's film on the organic revolution in Cuba and it was really encouraging, and a couple of nephews of mine have gone there and come back, and a niece too, and I keep hearing these encouraging reports, and I'm very glad. What I'm worried about is some of the stuff that I hear about the plans of our government wanting to overthrow the Cuban government, especially when Castro leaves the scene. I'm just worried about it – I don't know if you want to comment on that.
A: I'm worried about it myself and the Cubans are really worried about it. Just before the U.S. elections, there was a speech by the president of Cuba, who is not Castro, in Havana. We were right down the street interviewing someone. He told the people to be prepared, that they just assume it will get worse if Bush got elected. But they don't know what to do. They're just going to live with it.

Closing
The thing we came back from Cuba with is an amazing sense of hope, because we all worry about peak oil, and you can talk about die-offs, and get really depressed. When you go down there and see a nation that went through it and almost overnight transformed who they were it is impressive. No more industrialism. We're agrarian people and we're going to focus on sports and education and medicine. We're going to eat more vegetables and drive fewer cars. They are a relatively happy people. They really enjoy life, and that's what I see as a great model. And the other thing I noticed, like when I hear Harvey talk, is I had a sense of deja vu. It seemed I had heard things before and I realized that when we talk about community and when you ask the Cubans what they're doing, you're having the same conversation. So they're deep into community at the local level and it runs throughout their culture.

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To: SiouxPal who wrote (191)6/14/2008 6:33:35 AM
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Found this looking for a different post. I guess we are finding out the answer to your question right now. Only took 3 years (<: