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To: zonder who wrote (234937)	5/30/2005 5:04:05 AM
From: Elroy	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1573850

There can be loads of explanations for your experiences: - you are delusional when under duress - you are not entirely truthful in your storytelling - ... Even THIS is a simpler and hence better ('Occam's Razor') explanation than an omnipotent, omniscient, and benevolent creator of all, who sends books to be obeyed once in a while and expects obedience as well as love from human beings: - you have a time travelling descendant who protects you by interfering when you are in trouble First, I don't expect you to believe me. I wouldn't believe someone else if they told me. Hearsay is never proof of the existence of God. If it were, you are indeed not the only one who claims to have had experiences that suggest God exists. I don't think he said his paranormal experiences convince him of the existence of a higher being. He just said he has had some experiences that defy logic/physics/etc. It doesn't imply anything about religious belief.

To: zonder who wrote (234937)	5/30/2005 2:20:30 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1573850

I have had experiences that are not explained by science but can not be confirmed as acts of a god nor can they be proven in anyway. As I said, "no proof". There can be loads of explanations for your experiences: - you are delusional when under duress - you are not entirely truthful in your storytelling - ... Yes, but in this case, its neither. Of course, you don't know that; again, its just my word. However, I find it interesting you haven't asked what the experiences were. Then again, if you don't believe in their possibility, then I guess its of little value to find out what they were. Even THIS is a simpler and hence better ('Occam's Razor') explanation than an omnipotent, omniscient, and benevolent creator of all, who sends books to be obeyed once in a while and expects obedience as well as love from human beings: - you have a time travelling descendant who protects you by interfering when you are in trouble Yes, I thought of that. But even if it was a time traveling descendant, would that not be considered supernatural by our understanding of science? After all, time travel is an unproven theory and considered mostly science fantasy. First, I don't expect you to believe me. I wouldn't believe someone else if they told me. Hearsay is never proof of the existence of God. If it were, you are indeed not the only one who claims to have had experiences that suggest God exists. Yes, that's true. It may be that supernatural experiences are meant only for the one person........to help that person in their life; that normally, it doesn't serve some of us to believe in a deity. However, I can no longer be as vehement as you when the subject comes up. I still have my doubts but I can not deny what I experienced whether it be a time travelling descendant or a contact with something beyond us. I do know that there is a certain pain denying the existence of God. I am not sure why. And one last thing, those of us who are rational and strongly believe in science are most critical of the evangelicals not only because of their beliefs but because they tend to be narrow minded and not open to new ideas and change. And for the most part, that's pretty much true. However, on this particular issue, it seems to me that the rational/scientific members of our society are acting the part of the narrow minded. After all, if one can accept that our solar system is one of billions in our galaxy and the galaxy is one of billions in the universe.......a concept nearly impossible to grasp, why can't we accept there may be a power much greater than us with whom we have a special connection? ted