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To: lorne who wrote (62155)5/30/2005 7:26:14 AM
From: lorneRead Replies (1) | Respond to of 81568
 
2 Accused of Conspiring to Aid Terrorists

By LARRY NEUMEISTER
The Associated Press
Monday, May 30, 2005; 5:54 AM
washingtonpost.com

NEW YORK -- FBI agents in Florida and New York arrested two men who prosecutors said were secretly recorded during a two-year sting operation pledging their support and loyalty to al-Qaida.

Authorities said Sunday that Rafiq Abdus Sabir, 50, a Boca Raton physician, and Tarik Shah, 42, a self-described martial arts expert in New York, conspired to treat and train terrorists. Both are American citizens.

In this photo provided by the Palm Beach Sheriff's Department, shown is Rafiq Abdus Sabir, a Boca Raton, Fla., physician, date and location unknown. Sabir, and Tarik Shah, a self-described martial arts expert in New York, were both charged in Manhattan federal court with conspiring to provide material support to al-Qaida, according to the U.S. Attorney's office in the Southern District of New York. (AP Photo/Palm Beach Sheriff's Department) (AP)

Both men were scheduled to be arraigned Tuesday in federal court, Shah in New York and Sabir in Florida, according to a news release from U.S. Attorney David Kelley in Manhattan.

It was not immediately clear who would represent them in court. If convicted, each man faces a maximum sentence of 15 years in prison and a fine of up to $250,000.

The one-count complaint claims the men allegedly took an oath pledging their allegiance to al-Qaida. The government said the men engaged in multiple recorded conversations with a confidential source and an FBI agent posing as an al-Qaida operative.

During the conversations, Shah also described how he and Sabir in 1998 tried to get to training camps in Afghanistan and said they were a "package" deal, Kelley said in the release.

Police Department Commissioner Raymond Kelly said, "It is particularly gratifying that someone using New York City as a base for terrorist support is now in custody."

As recently as May 20, during a meeting at a New York City apartment, Sabir indicated he would travel shortly to Saudi Arabia to treat the wounds of jihadists at a Saudi military base, prosecutors said. Travel records showed he was scheduled to leave Thursday.

During recorded conversations, Shah also repeatedly indicated his desire to train Muslim "brothers" in the martial arts and hand-to-hand combat, the release said.

Shah took steps to find secret locations for jihad weapons training, at one point inspecting a Long Island warehouse, and described previous efforts to recruit others, prosecutors said.

Sabir was being held at the Palm Beach County Jail; it was not immediately known where Shah was being held. There was no phone listing for Sabir in Boca Raton, Fla. A phone number listed for Shah in Poughkeepsie, N.Y, rang unanswered Sunday evening.

Shah's mother, Marlene Jenkins, called the charges against her son "ridiculous."

"He's no terrorist," Jenkins, of Albany, N.Y., told the South Florida Sun-Sentinel in Monday's editions.

Sabir is a licensed medical doctor in Florida, New York and Pennsylvania, according to the Florida Department of Health Web site. He received his medical degree from Columbia University in 1981 and his bachelor's degree from City of New York College.

Daniel McBride, spokesman for the Islamic Center of Boca Raton, said Sabir lived in a Boca Raton gated community with Arleen Morgan, a registered nurse, and their two young sons.

"While we were married he was a lovely father and husband, and nothing if not a hardworking man," Sabir's former wife, Ingrid Doyle, of New York City, told the newspaper. "I'm still reeling from this, and my daughter has been crying all day."



To: lorne who wrote (62155)5/30/2005 7:29:48 AM
From: tontoRead Replies (1) | Respond to of 81568
 
Orca's question was not well thought out...he was trying to support the indiscriminant killing going on and saying if you did not do the same against a force which is leaving someday, you would be a "chicken sheet"...

I believe letting them rebuild the power and water...protecting oil lines is more beneficial than trying to kill them...and waiting for a government to be in control is the appropriate first measured response. Orca and I differ, clearly on this issue.



To: lorne who wrote (62155)5/31/2005 1:55:14 PM
From: sea_biscuitRespond to of 81568
 
Would you mass murder your own countrymen because they are a different sect of your religion.....these are not accidental killings by muslim terrorists they are intentionally targeting innocent people...women and kids.... they are outsiders trying to incite civil war...

Some had warned about a civil war even before the disastrous invasion had started.

And even if the civil war is being incited by outsiders, how is that happening? How can outsiders cross the borders and infiltrate into Iraq without getting caught? The answer - too few US troops. Some had warned about that as well, and did so before the disastrous invasion had started.



To: lorne who wrote (62155)6/2/2005 5:00:40 PM
From: troutheadRead Replies (1) | Respond to of 81568
 
What if I perceived that the Christian right was taking advantage of the invasion to increase there power here in the US. What if I didn't trust them. What if I was afraid of the lost rights and restrictions that such a govt would impose on it's people. What if I felt powerless to stop them because they were backed by the overwhelming invading force. I might resort to killing.

jb