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To: Grainne who wrote (105481)	5/31/2005 11:15:15 AM
From: The Philosopher	Respond to of 108807

It is absurd to think of a world without chocolate, sugar and coffee. Gosh. I had never before realized that the world of Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Sophocles, Euripides was an absurd world. What an interesting concept.

To: Grainne who wrote (105481)	5/31/2005 11:25:09 AM
From: The Philosopher	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Organic farmers do not keep slaves Gosh. What a statement. 1. Your source for this is? 2. Your source for chocolate producers keeping slaves is? Not merely low paid, overworked employees, but slaves, who can be bought and sold and who if they escape from their jobs can be hunted down and punished? 3. Your source for the apparent proposition you hold that if all food were produced organically, so that every lettuce field in the Salinas Valley and every vinyard in northern California and every orchard in Washington were to convert to organic production, suddenly they would start paying their workers high wages and give them good working conditions? 4. And if all these things happened, what do you suppose would happen to the price of food? In notice that the paper you cite admits that organic foods cost more. What isn't mentioned is, what I observe but can't prove with studies, that it is primarily the wealthy (measured by world standards) who have excess disposable incomes who buy organic foods.

To: Grainne who wrote (105481)	5/31/2005 11:28:59 AM
From: The Philosopher	Respond to of 108807

All the world was full of organic farms until about fifty years ago, when pesticide agriculture became popular. Organic food did at one time feed everyone. It is shocking to me that people think of it as something new and threatening and unworkable. All the world was full of animal-based transportation until about a hundred years ago, when the train and automobile because popular. Horses, donkeys, and the like did at one time transport everyone. It is shocking to me that people think of a demand do eliminate the internal combustion engine and return to an animal-based economy as something new and threatening and unworkable.