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To: cnyndwllr who wrote (163337)5/31/2005 2:10:32 PM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 281500
 
Brass and Chutzpah
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by Charley Reese

May 24, 2005

I will give the Bush administration credit: it has more brass and more chutzpah than a pawnbroker in Bombay.

It has now proclaimed that America's miserably bad image in the Muslim world is entirely the fault of one or two lines that appeared in a Newsweek magazine story. The administration has even more or less demanded that Newsweek fix it.

Now, you gotta admit, that takes brass. No, it's not years of one-sided support of Israel; it's not the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq; and it's not all of the prison scandals, all of the bombing, all of the occupation, all of the administration's lies and threats and bombast. No, we would be widely loved in the Muslim world if only Newsweek had not printed that one story.

I'm referring, of course, to a story reporting that a military-investigation report would include the fact that a Koran, a very holy book for Muslims, was tossed into a toilet during an interrogation at Guantánamo, where people are being held indefinitely without charges.

That's not a new story. Several of the former detainees have said the Koran was desecrated as part of the interrogation techniques. The Bush administration, of course, piously proclaims that is false and that it has issued pages of regulations governing how the Koran is to be treated.

Well gosh, fellows, you're kind of short on credibility. You've denied or asserted everything until it was proven to be the opposite of your position. Now, if I don't believe you, why would you expect some guy in Kabul or Gaza or Pakistan to believe you? And exactly how many subscriptions to Newsweek do you think the desperately poor people in Afghanistan have?

The Bush administration reminds me of a client a lawyer-friend of mine represented. I asked my friend if he had put his client on the stand. "Hell, no," he said, "he would lie even if it was in his own best interest to tell the truth."

The Bush administration motto ought to be, "We hide, lie and deny."

Another example of how it shades the truth is provided in a story by Newsweek about some accidentally declassified report. You've all heard these rosy scenarios in Iraq reported by the TV talking heads standing on their hotel balconies, safe and sound. Here's what the official Defense Department report said:

"The U.S. considers all of Iraq a combat zone."

You know what that means, don't you? It means the only part of Iraq we control is the part our soldiers are standing on. The report goes on: "From July 2004 to late March 2005, there were 15,527 attacks against Coalition Forces throughout Iraq. From 1 November 2004 to 12 March 2005 there were 3,306 attacks in the Baghdad area."

Friends, that's far worse than Valdosta, Ga., on a Saturday night. It's even worse than Los Angeles on the weekend. But, gee whiz, we've already toppled the dictator, turned over sovereignty, held elections, and installed a new government. I distinctly recall the neocons saying the Iraqis would throw flowers at us, and there would be dancing in the streets. I remember old Paul Wolfowitz, the old deputy SecDef, saying we didn't need all those troops the Army chief of staff said we needed, and not to worry, folks, Iraqi oil revenues will pay for the occupation and the rebuilding.

Most of you are probably too young to remember the Vietnam War. One thing about that war was there was always a light at the end of the tunnel. Of course, the light turned out to be from a Viet Cong explosion. The facts on the ground never matched the words coming out of the mouths of the brass in Saigon and the politicians in Washington.

Of course, the loss of that war was all Walter Cronkite's fault. If only the CBS news anchor hadn't been so shaken up by the Tet Offensive, we'd have found the light at the end of that tunnel.

Now, it's those scoundrels at Newsweek who are causing all of our troubles. Newsweek is denying you the kisses and hugs of 1 billion Muslims by reporting that one of our guys – some of whom don't hesitate to kill, maim, and humiliate prisoners – dropped a Koran in a toilet. How can anyone believe an American prison guard would do such a thing? Shame on the press.

Find this article at:
antiwar.com



To: cnyndwllr who wrote (163337)6/2/2005 8:05:28 PM
From: Don Hurst  Respond to of 281500
 
>>" The actions we're taking in Iraq are, as the Bush people are belatedly realizing, creating more skilled and committed terrorists than the world has ever seen and in a few years I suspect the families of the dead "heroes" from Iraq will be asking "WHY?" "<<

I agree with this so very much and am so astonished by those who post " Better there then here " stuff. We truly are creating a much more dangerous world for ourselves by this Bush madness.



To: cnyndwllr who wrote (163337)6/19/2005 9:11:25 AM
From: Hawkmoon  Read Replies (5) | Respond to of 281500
 
Recently picked up a copy of the latest Atlantic Magazine and they had a fascinating AND ENCOURAGING article about the Grand Mufti of Egypt. It's indicative of the theological and spiritual civil war currently underway within the Islamic world.. A battle between extremist Bedouin derived Wahabbist Islamic interpretations and a moderate and traditional Islamic theology that grants women equal rights and promotes peaceful spirituality AND peaceful coexistence with other Judaic derived faiths. Egypt is the center of much Islamic thought and I hope this guy is able to prevail in his battle with extremists.

Only part of the article is available online without a registration.

But it essentially makes my overall point that

theatlantic.com

The Agenda
Brief Lives

The Show-Me Sheikh

The grand mufti of Egypt, Ali Gomaa, is peddling a new kind of radical Islam—traditionalism without the extremism
by G. Willow Wilson

.....

n the night of December 30, 2004, the streets of downtown Cairo were unusually crowded. Government police officers, conspicuous in white gaiters, stood at attention outside a mosque, diverting traffic into a single congested lane. The police were on hand not to keep people out but to hem the mosque's occupants in. The speaker that evening was Mohammad Hassen, one of Cairo's most inflammatory sheikhs. President Hosni Mubarak's administration, anxious to allay fears of growing extremism after the October bombings in Sinai, was not taking any chances. Hassen and his followers had been known to advocate violence against Israel in the past.

That evening, however, the mood of the hard-line Islamic community was defensive, not aggressive. Earlier that day, in an appearance on Egyptian national television, Ali Gomaa, the grand mufti of Egypt and one of the highest-ranking clerics in the Sunni Muslim world, had denounced what the West refers to as fundamentalism. Although many Muslim leaders have stepped forward to condemn terrorist violence in recent years, no one before had even implicitly attacked the philosophy, often known as Wahhabism, that is thought to give rise to it—in no small part because Wahhabism is the official doctrine of Saudi Arabia, which controls the holy city of Mecca. But Gomaa did so, and went further: he referred to the extremists as khawerig, or "outsiders"—persons who fail to follow true Islamic law. Historically the term has been attached to the early Islamic dissidents who murdered Imam Ali, the son-in-law of the prophet Muhammad. In Arab Islamic society it is traditionally taboo to criticize the lifestyle or personal philosophy of any practicing Muslim. Never before had such a respected Islamic scholar and sheikh—much less the religious leader of the most populous Arab nation—laid bare the division between practicing fundamentalists and the rest of the Muslim umma, or religious community. In a region where extremist sheikhs have all but silenced their moderate rivals, this was a dangerous stance to take.