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To: neolib who wrote (163357)6/1/2005 1:55:52 AM
From: Nadine Carroll  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
The Iraqi sources I've seen (mostly translations from Iraqi newspapers translated by blogs), plus occasion American remarks, differentiate between the insurgents in general and the suicide bombers. Most of the insurgents are Iraqi, but they say over 90% of the suicide bombers who could be identified were foreign. Presumably the suicide bomber hierarchy, the bomb-makers and planners and drivers and minders and so forth, are a mixture of foreign jihadis (like Zarqawi) and Iraqis.

The foreign fighters are not very popular even in Al Anbar. Did you see the reports from Al Qaim where the Marines sat outside of town and watched a running gunbattle between the local tribes and the foreign fighters?



To: neolib who wrote (163357)6/1/2005 10:23:34 AM
From: Sun Tzu  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Will the Real Insurgents Please Stand Up?

U.S. military officials and internal military documents obtained by the AP indicate that the active resistance consists mainly of Sunni Muslims, Ba'athists – many with experience in Saddam's army – and tribal men who are fighting for a bigger role for their group in a new, secular Iraqi society. Although they may be influenced by Islam the way some American soldiers say they are influenced by Christianity, they are not, the report suggests, fighting for a Taliban-like, Islamic state as Zarqawi's fighters appear to be.

Some analysts have even suggested that recent car bombings blamed on Zarqawi were actually carried out by Iraqi resistance fighters, the AP reports. According to one official, the attacks, which were aimed at Iraq's new security forces, bore the "tradecraft" of Saddam's former secret police.

Such statements are at odds with the Bush administration's claim that U.S.-led troops in Iraq are fighting part of the "war on terror" against foreign-led, Islamic extremists.

"Too much U.S. analysis is fixated on terms like 'jihadist,'" Anthony Cordesman told the AP, "just as it almost mindlessly tries to tie everything to bin Laden." Cordesman, a military analyst with the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a privately funded, establishment think tank, says the resistance has a distinctly nationalist character.

U.S. military officials also told the AP that guerilla leaders in Iraq could mobilize as many as 20,000 fighters, a number many times greater than that of Zarqawi's forces. The resistance also has enough popular support among nationalist Iraqis angered at the ongoing U.S. military occupation that they could not be defeated solely by military means, according to the report.

Some Iraqi resistance groups have also recently spoken out publicly against Zarqawi and his fighters, saying they do not approve of his tactics, especially the beheadings and car bombings that kill civilians, as well as the presence of his foreign fighters in their country, according to the New York Times.

Sheik Abdul-Satar Al-Samarri, a leader of the influential Muslim Clerics Association, a Sunni group critical of Zarqawi, told the Times that his opposition to the Jordanian fighter's tactics did not mean he thought the Iraqis should stop fighting against the U.S.-led occupation of their country.

Instead, Al-Samarri advocated an alternative to Zarqawi's brand of warfare. "Honest and true resistance – that is away from chaos, killing innocents and policemen and sabotaging infrastructure – should go on to kick the occupation out of the country."

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more at antiwar.com

BTW, I have no idea how a military that conviniently does not count civilian deaths can be trusted to id the blown up remains of a suicide bomber as "foreign". Don't all those rag heads look the same anyway?



To: neolib who wrote (163357)6/1/2005 10:31:54 AM
From: Sun Tzu  Respond to of 281500
 
Published on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 by the San Francisco Chronicle

Nationalism Drives Many Insurgents as They Fight US
by Borzou Daragahi


BAGHDAD -- Bush administration officials have drawn a consistent picture of the insurgents they have been fighting in the past 17 months of occupation: religious extremists, "dead-enders" associated with Saddam Hussein and foreign terrorists slipping across the country's porous borders.

But a wide range of interviews with Iraqis and U.S. officials here paints a starkly different portrait -- a growing, intensely nationalist resistance determined to remove U.S. forces and their Iraqi allies.

"Rather than vilifying those who don't like us and rather than simplistic rhetoric, shouldn't we be trying to understand what's going on, what many Iraqis are thinking and try to address their concerns?" said an American adviser in Baghdad, speaking on condition of anonymity.

"Of course there are some terrible elements -- there are, clearly, some al Qaeda adherents and some who use terrorist methods as well as some garden- variety criminal elements -- but I just don't think it's good to categorize them all as 'terrorists.' "

Iraqi critics say U.S. failure to distinguish between different elements of the resistance has hampered its ability to secure the peace.

"One of the basic mistakes the coalition made was misdescribing those who had decided to take up arms against the coalition and now the current interim Iraqi government," says Sharif Ali bin Hussein, heir to Iraq's deposed king and head of Iraq's main monarchist party.

"The resistance is basically from groups that were marginalized and disenfranchised by the political process in Iraq when the United States decided to impose its exile friends from abroad without giving a role to ordinary Iraqis after liberation," he said.

Publicly, U.S. officials reject the notion that the resistance is being nourished primarily by Iraqi nationalism, or that it is growing.

"I don't think the resistance is spreading," said U.S. Army Brig. Gen. John DeFreitas. "There are a lot of places in Iraq that have bought into the political process. And they're participating. That's a form of nationalism also. I don't buy the idea that the resistance is nationalistic. Someone may jump up and attack and say that this is for Iraq. That doesn't make it so."

One counterinsurgency specialist based in Baghdad suggested there was "a marriage of convenience" between followers of Jordanian militant Abu Musab al- Zarqawi, criminals and some armed fighters.

In private conversations, however, some U.S. diplomats and military officials say they have begun to distinguish between fighters such as the Shiite Mahdi Army, loyal to rebel cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, and groups like Zarqawi's, which have no interest in Iraq's future stability.

"We look at them all as forces from a simple perspective," one U.S. general said at a recent background briefing. "From my perspective, they're all threat forces. The motivation is different; the attacks are very similar."

Iraqi politicians say that the occupation authorities' focus on foreign terrorists as the main element in the insurgency leads to dangerous miscalculations. They cite an attack last month on the northern Iraqi city of Tal Afar, a mostly ethnic Turkoman town crushed by the U.S. military in a battle that left at least 120 people dead and 200 injured.

U.S. forces, saying they were barraged by attacks from the area, blamed foreign fighters who had infiltrated a once-peaceful city. But Iraqis say the residents themselves had taken up arms, angered by months of U.S. raids on houses, arrests of innocent people and collective punishment.

"The situation was escalating," said Talat al-Wazan, an Iraqi nationalist politician based in Baghdad. "The people would go to police stations and ask for their relatives and hear nothing."

Tribal leaders telephoned Songul Shapouk, a Turkoman who serves on the National Assembly, and promised to turn over any foreign fighters to coalition forces, she said. Shapouk pleaded with Iraqi ministers and U.S. officials to halt the attack.

"We told (the Americans), there are not foreign fighters there," said Shapouk. "Don't attack this city. They are farmers. They are simple people."

Mohammad Qasoob Younis al-Jabouri, a leader of the Iraq Coalition Party, and a delegation of several other Iraqis traveled to the city, hoping to persuade the people to turn over any foreign extremists and stave off an attack, he said in a telephone interview from his home in Mosul.

But instead of encountering foreign religious fundamentalists, he found only his fellow countrymen -- about 70 fighters armed with Kalashnikovs and rocket-propelled grenades. Though he could not see all the insurgents, he knew the ones he met were locals because they all spoke Afriya, a Turkoman dialect infused with Kurdish and Arab words that is unique to the people of Tal Afar. The Turkoman are the third-largest ethnic group in Iraq after the Kurds and Arabs.

"There were no Syrians or Jordanians or foreigners," Jabouri said in a telephone conversation. "I saw only Iraqi citizens from Tal Afar."

The U.S. military, unmoved by the politicians' pleas, went ahead with the attack, inflicting heavy damage on Tal Afar. In a press release after the attack, the U.S. Army 2nd Infantry's Stryker Brigade declared a victory over foreign fighters who they said had turned Tal Afar into "a suspected haven for terrorists crossing into Iraq from Syria."

But U.S. officials privately conceded recently that no conclusive evidence of foreign fighters was found in Tal Afar, or later in Samarra, which was reportedly cleared of resistance fighters later in September.

Iraqi politicians do not dispute that foreign fighters are in their country. Posho Ibrahim, Iraq's deputy justice minister, said in an interview this month that the U.S. military has about 100 accused foreign fighters in custody.

But they do not see the foreigners as the driving force behind the resistance.

Sharif, who was among the exiled Iraqi opposition figures who initially supported the U.S. invasion, said the typical resistance fighter is a young man with a military background who opposes the occupation but -- unlike the foreign fighters motivated by religious extremism -- is not necessarily anti- American or anti-Western.

Wazan said the resistance is led by 20 to 30 armed groups across the country.

"This (insurgency) is a justified action for any people whose country is under occupation," he said.

© Copyright 2004 San Francisco Chronicle