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To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (33628)6/1/2005 1:33:59 AM
From: mthomas  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 110194
 
>this AA decision is BS, more Orwellian deception
>prosecute while rigging court decisions......

Hey dude, don't you get it? AA is GONE!! So who cares what the court rules now? (I care, because it is a scam and it was a scam from the start to NOT SEIZE IMMEDIATELY all papers, assets, and related material as in EVERY INVESTIGATION EVER UNDERTAKEN BY INVESTIGATORS OF THE US GOVT)

Remember Howard Hughes and TWA? The bankers got TWA from him in a scam, sold the good parts, and seven years later the Supreme Court ruled in Howard Hughes' behalf. But TWA was GONE!! So he got some bucks but the money making machine was
g o n e to those that own the nation's system. AA is gone too. So is Enron? No.

What about the 800+ Cayman accounts that nobody ever asked about? Is that (partly) the stash the USGov is using to buy Treasuries now that other sovereigns are buying less? Maybe Ollie North's accounts are kicking in a bit to help out too.
Note the newspapers claim it is the hedge funds working out of Cayman that are "POSSIBLY" purchasing the Treasuries....yeah, right. Those narcodollars come in handy in a pinch.

This is the part about the S&L scam which I claimed few would remember. What happened? Well, good banks took over, AT THE REQUEST OF the FDIC the soft, undercapitalized banks which were declared INSOLVENT. Fine.

But then when all that was said and done and the insolvent banks were being run by the worthy banks, the FDIC comes in and says "HEY GUYS, we are changing the rules. Instead of 10% capitalization you need 15% capitalization and you don't have it. You are officially insolvent. Period."

Of course prior to their absorbing the involvent banks these were strongly capitalized banks. After absorbing these failing banks their own liquid resources were diminished, but not below allowable limits prior to the rule changes.

Of course the good banks fought like hell to keep their banks, how could the FED people request they take on these weak banks and then up the margin requirements like that, change the rules in the middle of the game, thay can't do that....but they did do that, and in comes Citi, Washington Mutual, JPM, Chase, all the Big Kidds and they Buy Up The Banking Industry.

That is why there are so few banks today and you get such crappy banking services. Do you know, in Miami I am not allowed to deposit into my account a check written to somebody else endorsed to me? i.e. a "third party check". It will be sent back to me in the mail. I cannot deposit a third party check, period (personal account, not business account, dk about business accounts).

So now we have all these great charges ($3.50 to get $10K cash if I want actual greenbacks.....they CHARGE ME to give me money!!!!) OK, enough of the local thievery stories, let's get back to the S&L scam.

The good banks get their banks seized by the FDIC and they are put on the block to sell to JPM, Chase, Citi, WaMu (they were called something else then), Bank of America and so forth, and the banking industry suddenly contracts to a handfull of Big Banks.

So after 3 years of litigation this thing gets to the Supreme Court, and yep, sure enough guys, the FDIC is ruled against and they are NOT ALLOWED to change the rules in the middle of the game.

Sorry that your banks were sold to these other players, and they have of course by now chopped up your banks into unrecognizable pieces and sold and bartered with other banks for each piece the other guy wanted. So tell you what, we will give you money for your banks. We will fine that nasty FDIC for what they did and pay you for your banks (we know you want your banks back, but....we will fine the Govt and let the private Big Banks keep your banks....)

Whose money? YOUR MONEY if you are a tax payer. YOU paid for BoA and Chase to get these "defaulted" banks on the cheap. Not only did they get them cheap, they were subsidized with your money, the industry "consolidated" and you now get lousy, expensive services with long lines and no tellers, and a handful of banks to choose from.

But Americans don't read. And this was 3 years after the S&L scandal was "over" anyway, so who would bother to read about it? Much better to read the sports pages. Or watch TV.

The price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance. Too few paid the price, and the purchased product is going to be ugly.

I expect the housing prices will fall, but what I expect more is that inflation will rise to the price of the housing, making the housing prices look "natural". This will occur location-specific of course, as with all real estate. Heck, San Jose had its housing bubble pop back in 2000, right?

So yes, the Supreme Court did rule in AA's favor, but it was a point that was shoddy to begin with. I believe that too may have been foreseen and used to "consolidate" the accounting industry. After all, AA was used by the FBI, many govt agencies, and so forth. Getting them out of the way.....gave other players a chance.

Letting AA have time, like permitting Enron to have time, to get the shredders going at all was like the biggest statement that could be made, yet NOT ONE newspaper mentioned it at the time. They dare not, I reckon, or they too would be down the Memory Hole. Anybody that has EVER seen what happens in one of these investigations can verify what I point out here: seize the paperwork, seize or take control of the assets and outstanding operations, WHILE serving the papers, and THEN go to court. That is the way it works unless there is corruption involved in the executive agency of the govt...

Letting anybody have notice and time to act to destroy evidence is prima face inside job.

Orwell? Forget it. Al Capone. Keep the soap box.

Regards,

Martin



To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (33628)6/1/2005 4:21:54 PM
From: stockman_scott  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 110194
 
Was Andersen Really an Innocent Bystander?
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What does the Supreme Court's decision to overturn Andersen's conviction mean? And will it change the outlook for other executives in trouble with the law?

By Bethany McLean
FORTUNE WEB EXCLUSIVE
fortune.com

"Today's verdict is wrong...The reality here is that this verdict represents only a technical conviction." So reads a statement Arthur Andersen issued back on June 15, 2002, just after a Houston jury found the accounting firm guilty concerning its actions in the Enron affair. Technical though it may have been—Andersen was convicted not for abetting accounting fraud at Enron, and not even for destroying documents, but rather for the actions of the firm's general counsel, which the jury ruled had "corruptly persuaded" another employee to destroy evidence—the decision effectively put Andersen out of business.

Fast forward three years to yesterday, when news broke that the U.S. Supreme Court, in an unanimous and remarkably rapid decision, has overturned Andersen's conviction. Chief Justice William Rehnquist wrote that the judge's instructions to the jury "simply failed to convey the requisite consciousness of wrongdoing" and "diluted the meaning of 'corruptly' such that it covered innocent conduct." In other words, the Supreme Court ruled that to be found guilty, Andersen officials had to know they were doing something wrong. That is contrary to the instructions Judge Melinda Harmon originally gave the Houston jury. She told them the firm could be convicted even if it believed its conduct was lawful.

Although in a very practical sense, the decision is meaningless—it's too late to revive Andersen—there's lots of speculation about what the decision means in more abstract ways. Does it mean trouble for the upcoming trial of Enron's former chairman Ken Lay and former CEO Jeff Skilling? Will it help other convicted executives—such as Frank Quattrone and Bernie Ebbers—reverse their guilty verdicts? (In a filing yesterday, Quattrone's lawyer said the ruling has an "important bearing" on arguments he's raising.) Is it a setback to the attempts to cut down on corporate crime? Most legal seers are saying that there's at least a small "yes" component to each of those questions, because the Supreme Court's ruling makes it so crystal clear that to prove white-collar crime, you have to prove criminal intent. While defense lawyers will be scouring the ruling, the issues—and the evidence—in every case are different. The most important question of all is, does this mean that Arthur Andersen was actually an innocent bystander to the events at Enron? And that's where things get really complicated.

Even Andersen's original conviction didn't go to the heart of the role Andersen played at Enron. That's because Andersen was never charged with, much less convicted of, getting Enron's accounting wrong. On the part of some Enron faithful, that's proof that the accounting wasn't wrong. (This is aside from a few large errors that Andersen admitted even before Enron's bankruptcy.) Indeed, Rick Causey, who was Enron's chief accounting officer, is scheduled to stand trial with Skilling and Lay in early 2006. Causey says he's innocent of any wrongdoing. And the truth about Enron is that a lot of its accounting did follow the rules. It just totally violated the spirit of the rules, and because of that, the numbers Enron put forth to the world didn't represent economic reality.

Yet there's little doubt that Andersen accountants knew that in commonsense terms, Enron's accounting was, as Andersen put it in various memos, "high risk." There's also little doubt that they kept going along with what Enron wanted because they didn't want to lose Enron's business. (Enron paid Andersen $52 million in fees in 2000, the last year before the company went bankrupt.) And most importantly, there's little doubt that one "no" from the Andersen accountants could have changed the course of history at Enron. Does all of this make Andersen criminally guilty? That would have been a very difficult case for prosecutors to make—and part of the difficulty would have been keeping jurors awake through arguments of accounting minutiae. Which perhaps explains why prosecutors chose to focus on what they thought would be an easier case to make.

It's hard to argue, at least in an ethical sense, that Andersen was innocent in the Enron affair. Plus, there's Sunbeam, Waste Management, and WorldCom - other companies involved in fraud for which Andersen was the accountant. This is why you'd hear people say of Andersen's original conviction that it was a bit like getting Al Capone for income tax evasion. And did Andersen's hard fall deter other would-be criminals? We'll never know. But it's also hard to argue that putting Andersen out of business—and causing its 28,000 employees, most of whom had had zero contact with Enron, to lose their jobs—was the right outcome. In other words, it's complicated.



To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (33628)6/1/2005 5:16:56 PM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 110194
 
Don't Buy Housing Bubble Propaganda

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