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To: energyplay who wrote (64505)6/1/2005 2:21:56 PM
From: rz  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 74559
 
Poles stopping the Turks from grabbing Venice.
Vienna not Venice.



To: energyplay who wrote (64505)6/1/2005 7:48:44 PM
From: Snowshoe  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 74559
 
>>Poles stopping the Turks<<

Despite the evil dastardly French, who schemed to undermine the alliance against the Turks.



To: energyplay who wrote (64505)6/2/2005 4:22:05 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 74559
 
Re: The Basques will be generally taller, and will tend to look different than those with significant Mayan / Aztec heritage.

Please, help me spot those "Mayan/Aztec" features on the following picture of a "modern Mexican" fellow:

modernmexican.com

Re: Note on Turkey EU bid - I think that Giscard d'Estaing is opposed to Turkey's entry. Not sure about de Villepin.

You're right about Giscard's opposition to Turkey but then, I guess that his star is now waning at the same rate as the EU Constitution --Giscard's brainchild-turned-dead-letter. Giscard is said to have been paid about 400,000 euros ($500,000) to draft it....

As for de Villepin, I think he's of the same opinion as President Jacques Chirac, that is, favorable to Turkey's EU membership.

Re: Is what Denmark and Holland appear to want to do really that extreme ? Given, there will be some extremists in every country, but is the mainstream that far ?

Well, the problem is that, across Europe, the mainstream's agenda (regarding immigration, security, the EU,...) is increasingly set and framed by the far-right. It's been a gradual, stealth process that started about 15 years ago. If you could jump into a time machine and travel back to 1990, you would realize how Europe's political landscape has deteriorated... Indeed, if you told Dutch, Belgians, French, Italians,... of 1990 that, in 15 years from then, the far-right would score anywhere between 20 to 33% in their respective countries, they all would laugh at you and tell you that never, ever would "liberal Holland", "peaceful and diffident Belgium", or "boastful yet tolerant Italy", would massively vote for the far-right... And yet, they did.

Re: Do you see the French assimilating or accomodating their Islamic populations ? Or are they doing something else ?

Well, it all boils down to a race of sorts.... Two trends are at work in France and, more generally, in Europe. The first trend is an ominous segregation of most non-European, second-class citizens: most immigrant youths, whether they have a EU citizenship or not, suffer from double-digit unemployment rate. And, just as in the US(*), the unemployment of young immigrants INCREASE proportionately to their skills/degrees... It's a social time-bomb that, every now and then, explodes locally(**).

The second trend is about European elites' tentative try with tokenism: nowadays, it's not unusual to spot, here and there, a black cop, an Arab senator, or even a Turkish minister... It's a desperate, if touching, attempt by Europe's lily-white elites to show that "things are improving"... Yet, such "affirmative action" is limited to the political arena and some professional sports (soccer, athletics,...).

As I once put it, we can conceive of Europe as a firewalled nexus, that is, national boundaries between all EU-member countries, somehow, work like firewalls and prevent any extreme ideology from leaping unhindered from one country to the next... Today, at the dawn of the XXIst century, I deem Judeofascism the most perilous, noxious ideology around, and I expect it to spread across Poland, Denmark, the Netherlands, Flemish-controlled Belgium, the UK, and Austria. But Judeofascism will likely be checked by the French and Spanish "firewalls"... I expect Italy to meet the same turnabout as Spain...

All in all, the Iraq War was a litmus test of sorts that sorted out "Judeofascist Europe" from "Mediterranean Europe". And that's why the EU Constitution proved such a flop: there should be TWO Constitutions --one for Southern, Mediterranean Europe, and another for Northern, lily-white Europe.

Gus

(*) ucpress.edu
(**) vendredi 27 mai 2005, 10h24
Cinq voitures incendiées à Perpignan, où la tension persiste

PERPIGNAN (AFP)
- Cinq véhicules ont été incendiés pendant la nuit de jeudi à vendredi dans le quartier Saint Jacques de Perpignan, où les communautés gitane et maghrébine se font toujours face, a-t-on appris de source policière.
[...]

fr.news.yahoo.com



To: energyplay who wrote (64505)6/2/2005 5:12:39 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER  Respond to of 74559
 
Follow-up to my post #64518:

I should have added Germany to my list of EU countries likely to succumb to Judeofascism:

Merkel would target terrorism
By Judy Dempsey International Herald Tribune

THURSDAY, JUNE 2, 2005

BERLIN
A new German government led by Angela Merkel's conservative Christian Democratic Union would step up the fight against terrorism by giving the security agencies quicker and easier access to information on Islamic extremists and international terrorist groups, a senior member of the party said Wednesday.

If elected in September, Merkel's party would also increase security on the European Union's eastern borders, that now flank Belarus and Ukraine after 10 new countries, mostly from Eastern Europe, joined the EU over a year ago.

The party official, Wolfgang Bosbach, a deputy leader of the Christian Democrats and member of the Parliament's Interior Affairs Committee, said in an interview, "Any measures adopted for improving internal security would not contradict our plans to strengthen civil rights."

"We have to get it across immediately that the freedom and security of our citizens is paramount," said Bosbach, who could become the interior or justice minister if the opposition Christian Democrats oust Chancellor Gerhard Schröder's coalition of Social Democrats and Greens.

Bosbach said Germany would increase its cooperation with the United States, but criticized American activities at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, where the United States has held prisoners in conditions that many critics say flout international law and human rights.

"Guantánamo Bay is not a good example for a democratic government," Bosbach said.

On internal security, the Christian Democrats want the police and security agencies to be able to obtain and exchange information on extremist groups in a much faster manner.

Under German law, the police and secret services are kept separate, a decision made by the Allies after World War II to increase the checks and balances over the security services.

Furthermore, each of the 16 states is responsible for the police, while other security services, including the Federal Criminal Police Office, operate on the national level.

Bosbach insisted that the Christian Democrats would keep the institutions separate.

"We don't want to assign the secret services with police powers," he said. "We need combined data of all the German security agencies on Islamic extremism and international terrorism."

Bosbach said there should be a complete data base in which all information concerning suspects can be found and to which everyone has access but where sources would be protected.


"The right solution would be a unified, analysis center for all security authorities in the states without always having to revert to unnecessary bureaucracy."

Bosbach, however, ruled out turning the Federal Criminal Police Office into a U.S.-style Federal Bureau of Investigation, where it would take over some of the powers of the police.

"But we think it right to give the Criminal Office additional tasks in the fight against international terrorism, such as preventive measures, such as carrying out investigations where it is still unclear that something could happen," he added.

The Christian Democrats would also look at ways for improving border security on the EU's new eastern borders.

The Baltic states of Estonia and Latvia have direct borders with Russia. Lithuania and Poland have borders with Belarus. And Poland, Hungary and Slovakia have borders with Ukraine.

Bosbach said Germans were very concerned that these external borders were not secure enough and were being exploited by criminals and illegal immigrants.

If the Christian Democrats become the largest party after the September vote, they would almost certainly have to form a coalition with a smaller party in order to have a parliamentary majority.

In this case, the partner of the conservative Christian Democrats would be the opposition Free Democratic Party, which is liberal. Such a partnership is based on the Free Democrats winning 5 percent of the vote, the minimum required to enter the Bundestag, or Parliament.

Traditionally, in such a coalition, the Free Democrats have been given the Foreign Ministry and the Justice Ministry, while the Interior Ministry has fallen between the Christian Democrats and their more conservative sister party from Bavaria, the Christian Social Union.

But some Christian Democrats and Free Democrats are already suggesting that the Interior Ministry might for once go to the Free Democrats, which they said could prevent the more conservative factions inside Merkel's party from overturning several liberal laws Schröder's coalition recently pushed through.

"I don't want to speculate on that," said Bosbach. "We have an election to win."

iht.com

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