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To: zonder who wrote (235615)	6/3/2005 9:07:56 AM
From: longnshort	Respond to of 1574127

THE MIGHTY EURO FALLS What a difference about six months makes. Remember awhile ago when the dollar was down against the Euro, and people were bemoaning our lack of economic strength in the world? Banks were dumping dollars and buying Euros....OPEC was talking about switching currencies...trade was going to suffer...all this doom and gloom was going to take place. Well now the shoe is on the other foot. The Euro is in trouble. In the wake of the French, the Dutch and soon the British not adopting the EU Constitution, the Euro is down anyway. But now...there's news today that would represent an almost knockout punch to the entire European Union: Italy is thinking about abandoning the Euro. That's right...they might just switch right back to the Lira. Europeans are starting to worry about the competitiveness that comes with joining the EU trading block and adopting a single currency. They're starting to realize they preferred it when their own governments could regulate the competition and the economy. So now the EU is imploding. But hey...Europe was going to take over the world there for a second. Imagine that!

To: zonder who wrote (235615)	6/3/2005 3:17:15 PM
From: tejek	Respond to of 1574127

When I say I love something, that means I enjoy it tremendously. And since I enjoy it tremendously, that means I desire to experience it tremendously. If I don't get to experience what I desire tremendously, then I am greatly disappointed and very likely to feel pain. Apparently, you do not react the same way. Excuse me if this sounds rude, but what on earth are you talking about??? LOL. Its not very complicated English. Read it again, I am sure you will understand it on the second reading. What does LOVING SOMETHING and therefore DESIRING it, and feeling PAIN if you don't get it have ANYTHING to do with whether or not to believe what others tell you about their so-called paranormal experiences??? You brought up the issue of love, not I. Go back to your prior posts. By the way, your experience of "love" sounds dangerously similar to heroin addiction, did you know that? Not surprising........Freud described love as a neurosis. As humans, we are capable of addictions to many things. Is love any worse than anything else? When you used the term love in reference to seeing what others see. I guess you are referring to empathy here. Putting yourself in others' shoes, sharing their joy and sadness ia all great, all part of being human. It does not though, even for one second, make me want to share in fellow humans' DELUSIONS. Your only proof that they are delusions [and you need not shout]is that you can't see what they can see. Frankly, that's not the best proof. Or do you really suffer this "pain" of not being able "see what others see" when you visit an asylum where inmates are convinced there is a red devil sitting on your left shoulder? No, my pain comes from not believing in God. Do you suffer this "pain" of not "seeing what others see" when you hear of Al-Qaeda calling your country immoral and its citizens fit to be hunted down one by one? Or do you think they are all dangerous nuts? Why are you trying to turn this theological discussion into a political one? In your post, you used a dragon as the object but why not use God. I thought it was clear that the dragon analogy was taken from Carl Sagan's book. Not to me. When you say "God", people get emotional. Analogies are good for this reason. You posted: "you would love to see what makes them think "[there is a God/dragon in their garages]. Strangely enough, that suggests you want to believe what others believe in.... Did you not understand what I said in the last post? "You would love to see what makes them think" because of CURIOUSITY, not because anyone here is dying to believe what others believe in. Least of all myself. You say your love is based on your curiosity and nothing else Who said anything about "my love"???? I suspect you may be kidding yourself; that it runs deeper than simple curiousi This is where I am supposed to ease in to the couch and tell you about my childhood? Come on :-) No. lol. I hardly expect you to pour your heart out on a public forum. I simply told you of my supernatural experiences, I have not once made mention of a personal deity. You started with this "supernatural experiences" in response to my saying "there is no proof to the existence of God", right after you said "I'm not sure there is no proof...". Ergo, you pointed to your "supernatural experiences" as a possible proof to the existence of God. "Possible proof" does not mean a "personal deity". I can't help it if you jumped ahead. What I experienced can not be explained in any way by modern science and they are not the rantings of a delusional or psychotic human being. In fact, they were real supernatural experiences and they scared the bejezus out of me. Like you, I have been agnostic my entire life since I was 5, waiting, and yes, hoping for proof. And now that I have it, I don't know what to do with it nor how to think. I can't buy into the mumbo jumbo that passes for human religions but I can't deny that there is something bigger than us. It exists.....but how, why, where.......I don't know nor can I prove it to anyone else. And the worst part is you really can't talk about it unless you meet someone who has had similar experiences because people like you and I won't believe someone else and those that do believe in God don't want to hear that this supernatural stuff happened to an agnostic and not to them.....and that's how God for lack of a better name keeps his/her mysterious existence a secret. Its truly a bitch and then you die! Anyway, we are talking past each other. I know it and you know it and so does everybody else, that there is no proof to the existence of God at this point in time. Whatever you experienced or thought you experienced can have a zillion explanations that don't necessitate the presence of a benevolent/omniscient/omnipotent Creator of all matter and life. And the truth is you are wrong.