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To: John Carragher who wrote (117882)	6/3/2005 8:15:48 AM
From: LindyBill	Respond to of 794015

It is so sad that in the United States we cannot support our education system for all kids. One thing we know won't work is a centralized "commanding heights" school system. Every time we try to organize this type of system for anything in this country it is a failure. Most of the states have seized control of their school systems from the local boards to some degree. And the results are even worse with the State control. It does look like, [based on our NCLB program,] a centralized standard helps. It's a "lesser of two evils" situation. We know the educational bureaucracy doesn't want any transparent measurement of their results. So we need it imposed from above. But we need to get rid of the Dept of Education bureaucracy that goes with it. All of what I am for is impossible, of course. At least in the short run. Long term, we have to face this or we will never get good results.

To: John Carragher who wrote (117882)	6/3/2005 9:47:47 AM
From: gamesmistress	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 794015

showing the big difference in schools in one district next to the other one That was the case here. My town, an eclectic mix of whites, blacks, and Hispanics, poor to upper class, surrounded by more affluent, almost 100% white towns, had significantly poorer results in standardized tests. Also, the kids from my town couldn't compete with kids from the other two towns in the regional high school. After over 20 years of trying to improve the elementary and middle schools from within, some parents gave up and started a charter school. Guess what - kids in BOTH schools are doing better. All of a sudden, the school establishment decided they need to overhaul the curriculum, enforce discipline, remodel the middle school building (which hadn't been touched since the 1950's). Competition is the key.