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To: Tom Clarke who wrote (117898)6/3/2005 9:32:01 AM
From: Ilaine  Respond to of 793781
 
Interesting timing, since Kerry is now making noises about impeaching Bush for lying about WMD.



To: Tom Clarke who wrote (117898)6/3/2005 9:35:21 AM
From: gamesmistress  Respond to of 793781
 
In a recent Gallup poll, the American institution the respondents had most confidence in was the military, then the police, then organized religion. Last was HMOs.
(Poll details here: pollingreport.com

Michelle Malkin links to a liberal blogger at MyDD who thinks this confidence means the American populace would be comfortable with a police state (!) Quite a leap.

Yikes
by Chris Bowers

While I am sure that Americans would express a great deal of confidence in Democracy as an abstract concept, when it comes to actual institutions that are, at least ostensibly, Democratic, they tend to express very little confidence. According to the latest Gallup poll on the subject, 44% express confidence in the Presidency, 24% in organized labor, and only 22% in Congress. By contrast, Americans express a great deal of confidence in situations that are not only undemocratic (the military, the police, organized religion), but even frequently rely upon force for their authority.

Granted, a lot of this is because Americans are not thinking in the abstract when they answer these questions. When people are asked if they have confidence in the Presidency, they almost invariably think of the current President, rather than the institution itself. This is evident in the internals of the poll, where confidence in the Presidency is divided along lines similar to partisan approval of Bush (Democrats have very low confidence in the Presidency, and Republicans have very high confidence. Also, confidence in the military has increased significantly over the past four years, just as it did in 1991 following the first Persian Gulf War. People tend to express confidence much more confidence in the military during a time of war than they do during times of less conflict. Also, confidence in Congress is pretty much always abysmal, so there is nothing new there.

What is perhaps most disturbing about this poll is that along with rising confidence in the military, the nation is expressing rising confidence in the police. In fact, at 63% this year and 64% last year, confidence in the police has reached an all-time high. If you couple rising confidence in the police and the military with declining confidence in the criminal justice system, elected institutions and the news media, you have the makings of a populace that would be comfortable with a police state. Now, while I personally think comparisons to our current government and Nazi Germany are absurd, offensive and based in ignorance, the growing national comfort with authoritarian and totalitarian measures cannot be ignored.



To: Tom Clarke who wrote (117898)6/6/2005 2:20:08 AM
From: KLP  Respond to of 793781
 
WMD....WMD....WMD...??????? Banned Weapons Equipment 'Missing from 109 Iraq Sites'

[KLP Note: What on earth will the Democrats and the UN say about this....how can "items that are now missing" be missing...if they weren't there in the first place? See the blog notes at the bottom of the Scotsman article (to give this credence and the 'Outside the Beltway" blog after it...]

Friday, June 5, 2005 4:11am (UK)
news.scotsman.com
United Nations experts say equipment and material that could be used to make biological or chemical weapons and banned long-range missiles has been removed from 109 sites in Iraq.

UN inspectors have been blocked from returning to Iraq since the US-led war in 2003 so they have been using satellite photos to see what happened to the sites that were subject to UN monitoring because their equipment had both civilian and military uses.

In a report to the UN Security Council obtained yesterday, acting chief weapons inspector Demetrius Perricos said imagery analysts had identified 109 sites that had been emptied of equipment to varying degrees, up from 90 reported in March.

The report also provided much more detail about the amount and types of equipment at the sites, and the percentage of items that are no longer at the places where UN inspectors monitored them.

From the imagery analysis, Perricos said analysts at the UN Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission which he heads had concluded that biological sites were less damaged than chemical and missile sites.

He said the so-called dual use equipment and material missing from the sites could be used for legitimate purposes. “However, they can also be utilised for prohibited purposes if in a good state of repair and integrated in a production line in a suitable environment,” he said.

Perricos also stressed that no conclusions could be made about “the destination of all items removed”.

Equipment and material could have been moved elsewhere in Iraq, sold as scrap, melted down or purchased by someone else. He said inspectors also could not make any determination about what may be inside buildings where roofs are intact and satellite imagery can’t penetrate.

The commission, known as Unmovic, previously reported the discovery of some equipment and material from the sites in scrapyards in Jordan and the Dutch port of Rotterdam.

Perricos said analysts found, for example, that 53 of the 98 vessels that could be used for a wide range of chemical reactions had disappeared. “Due to its characteristics, this equipment can be used for the production of both commercial chemicals and chemical warfare agents and their precursors,” he said.

Reflecting the scale of the missing items, the report said 628 corrosion-resistant metal sheets, 3,380 valves, 107 pumps and more than 8.125 miles of pipes were known to have been located at the 39 chemical sites.

A third of the chemical items removed came from the Qaa Qaa industrial complex south of Baghdad which the report said “was among the sites possessing the highest number of dual-use production equipment, whose fate is now unknown”.

Significant quantities of missing material were also located at the Fallujah II and Fallujah III facilities north of the city, which was besieged last year.

Before the first Gulf War in 1991, those facilities played a major part in the production of precursors for Iraq’s chemical warfare programme.

The percentages of missing biological equipment from 12 sites were much smaller – no higher than 10% – and the state of repair varied from good to poor.

But according to the report 37 of 405 fermenters ranging in size from eight to 5,000 litres had been removed. Those could be used to produce pharmaceuticals and vaccines as well as biological warfare agents such as anthrax.

The largest percentages of missing items were at the 58 missile facilities, which include some of the key production sites for both solid and liquid propellant missiles, the report said.

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Friday, June 3, 2005
U.N.: Weapons Equipment Missing in Iraq
Posted by James Joyner at 06:47

outsidethebeltway.com

The U.N.'s Iraq inspection team reports that long-range missiles and weapons used for making chemical and biological materials is unaccounted for.

U.N.: Weapons Equipment Missing in Iraq (AP)

U.N. satellite imagery experts have determined that material that could be used to make biological or chemical weapons and banned long-range missiles has been removed from 109 sites in Iraq, U.N. weapons inspectors said in a report obtained Thursday. U.N. inspectors have been blocked from returning to Iraq since the U.S.-led war in 2003 so they have been using satellite photos to see what happened to the sites that were subject to U.N. monitoring because their equipment had both civilian and military uses.

In the report to the U.N. Security Council, acting chief weapons inspector Demetrius Perricos said he's reached no conclusions about who removed the items or where they went. He said it could have been moved elsewhere in Iraq, sold as scrap, melted down or purchased. He said the missing material can be used for legitimate purposes. "However, they can also be utilized for prohibited purposes if in a good state of repair." He said imagery analysts have identified 109 sites that have been emptied of equipment to varying degrees, up from 90 reported in March.

The report also provided much more detail about the percentage of items no longer at the places where U.N. inspectors monitored them. From the imagery analysis, Perricos said analysts at the U.N. Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission which he heads have concluded that biological sites were less damaged than chemical and missile sites.

The commission, known as UNMOVIC, previously reported the discovery of some equipment and material from the sites in scrapyards in Jordan and the Dutch port of Rotterdam. Perricos said analysts found, for example, that 53 of the 98 vessels that could be used for a wide range of chemical reactions had disappeared. "Due to its characteristics, this equipment can be used for the production of both commercial chemicals and chemical warfare agents," he said.

Quite bizarre. As Perricos notes, UNMOVIC is doing this via satellite imagery and without input from people on the ground who may have a perfectly good explanation for this. It would be nice to have it, though.

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How could this be? Iraq DIDN’T HAVE any banned missles or equipment for making chemical and biological weapons, RIGHT?

Meanwhile you have Syria testing scuds. Conincidence? Maybe.

Just a matter of time before the lid is blown off the WMD issue. What will the Bush-haters say then?

Material has turned up in Jordan and Rotterdam. Fairly solid proof of the proliferation that was one argument in the case for war.


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