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To: Dale Baker who wrote (399)	6/5/2005 12:53:40 PM
From: Lane3	Respond to of 541370

Ditto teen pregnancies I think that teen pregnancies are down. At least teen motherhood is.

To: Dale Baker who wrote (399)	6/5/2005 1:00:16 PM
From: Dale Baker	Respond to of 541370

Here is a classic case of using process versus results and not convincing many people: washingtonpost.com A subsidiary argument is how long to give a certain process to produce results - much more open to interpretation. But generally, meeting your own estimated timetables improves your credibility with the mainstream voter.

To: Dale Baker who wrote (399)	6/5/2005 5:17:30 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541370

There is a basic standard for results we can apply in some areas. Have we reduced federal spending? Some people's ideology would make increasing federal spending the goal. Others don't care much about foreign oil or drug use. Those aren't basic standards that are immune from ideology of philosophy or outlook on life. They are standards that come up in the context of your ideology/philosophy/outlook, just like any other standards. Teen pregnancies, and literacy rates are perhaps slightly better measuring sticks, it would be hard to find anyone who wanted to increase teen pregnancy or decrease literacy rates. But how much weight such considerations should have, and the ways of that are acceptable to try to deal with them are influenced a lot by ideology. If we increase literacy by .05% is that important? What do we give up in terms of ideological or practical considerations to get that .05% increase? If we decrease teen pregnancy, do we do it by using a lot more contraception? There are people who's religious/philosophical/ideological ideas would be against that. You simply can't divorce the perceived relative importance of various goals from ideology, philosophy, religion, ect. Tim