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To: geode00 who wrote (163700)	6/5/2005 6:09:16 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

libertarianz.org.nz answers your questions. Geode, you obviously don't understand libertarian ideology but I'm not prepared to reinvent the wheel for you when acres have been written. You'll have to educate yourself a bit. It's about freedom. Start with freedom and private property and work from there. Think free will and self-determination and see where that takes you. Use those first principles and the idea of driving on somebody's front lawn instead of the right side of the road, which is the left in New Zealand, will obviously not make sense to you. Similarly, a draft won't make sense. I sense you don't want to understand and after many decades of dealing with people who don't want to understand, I know to save my time. I don't mind explaining to people who understand, but disagree, but when they don't understand and refuse to, then it's like talking to religious people - they believe and that's that. I can understand the idea that liberatarians are a bunch of wusses and that there's nothing wrong with slavery, cannibalism, property confiscation and might makes right. That approach is common and is tried regularly around the world in groups of people from 2 to 2 billion. It's the law of the jungle and biological development which has worked just fine for a billion years. However, we are now in a transition involving a species-wide mind melding. It's very far from complete so we have a hybrid system at present, with some ethical libertarian association, but plenty of the old law of the jungle too. I can understand the idea that libertarianism is pathetic and we should all just carry on with the Trimph of the Will and Nazi might makes right totalitarian dominance mechanims, albeit dictated by a slight majority [or even no majority - as low as 40% in some voting systems]. Each to their own. Plenty of people - obviously most - prefer the suffocatocratic democratic kleptocracies pork-barreling the winners for a few years. <In economic theory, free markets have no friction and no costs. Tell me, practically, what market in the entire world fits this description.> A theory describes an approximation of reality. Even in the glorious "freedom" of the USA, a bloke was arrested recently for polishing somebody's fingernails in exchange for payment. Google could tell you who and the details. But there are degrees of freedom. Most markets involve busy-bodies butting in, regulating, confiscating, licensing, permitting and generally suffocating. As I said, not many people actually like freedom. Most people like their own ego to go on the rampage, ignoring other people and their property, but are willing to exchange that freedom in exchange for some defence against other egos. But they don't go the whole hog and think libertarian. Mqurice PS: Your 'forced firemen' is also slavery.