To: pfalk who wrote (68045 ) 6/15/2005 3:08:41 PM From: Amy J Respond to of 77400 Someone finally realized that SIP-based solutions have better security so are a competitive advantage over gaping open ports in the enterprise:news.yahoo.com From the article: Nokia will extend a relationship with Cisco by integrating dual-mode Nokia Series 60 handhelds with Cisco's CallManager over Wi-Fi local area networks. Nokia also has agreed to offer OnRelay's MBX technology to provide cellular-only extensions and voice services to IP and legacy PBXs, such as systems from Nortel, Cisco and Avaya. A new offering from Nokia and Avaya includes a dual-mode device with Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) capabilities that can make and receive calls over both mobile and wireless local area networks. -------------------------- RE: "this means that large companies are almost guaranteed to avoid Skype, *because* it's too flexible." Have you checked out Redmond's Skype-like software? Remember how CIO's said they didn't like attachments (back in the early 90s), while the users did. Guess who won? The users did. Such paradigm's (user choices vs CIO) can't be ignored because users tend to proliferate their preferences over CIOs objections. Someone posted an article on this thread that I believe said, corporate users selected Skype 30% for VoIP calls over other solutions. RE: "Cisco has never played well in the small business market, so they don't stand to loose much from Skype." We have Cisco gear in our small business, so do a lot of other startups so am not sure I agree with your assessment. Things may have improved recently because Cisco made a SMB initiative about 2 years ago, but am not sure if Cisco's SMB market share went up or not, so you could be right. On a different note unrelated to SMB, where I think Cisco has to be somewhat careful is with Juniper. RE: "However, you can assume that some Skype-service-providers (TM), will use Cisco gear to achieve Skype to PSTN interconnectivity." Ultimately, that's what I assumed too. Regards, Amy J