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Politics : Should God be replaced? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Greg or e who wrote (20270)	6/8/2005 10:47:07 AM
From: TigerPaw	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 28931

The issue is that abortion kills an innocent Human Person You really never define Human Person. You seem to want to keep it vague enough to encompass a blastoid but then want to exclude many other viable cell groups. The argument only works in slogan form, and then falls apart when you really get down to details. TP

To: Greg or e who wrote (20270)	6/9/2005 5:33:48 PM
From: 2MAR$	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 28931

The issue is that abortion kills an innocent Human Person, and no body has the "right" to do that. I think you are being intentionally obtuse & little immoderate in using the phrase "human person" when referring to a blastosphere. . An early embryonic form such as that can only constitute a potential "human person" , and not a fully formed individual . Your ethical position seems too impracticably narrow from this arbited starting point, when faced with human realities and responsibilities. Should there be rights afforded to this potential "person" ? I think we could say "yes" to this ...by starting firstly and hopefully with : " Every child , a wanted child " And one purely morally & ethically, could do as much good in the world that is to come to affirm always a special concern for the poor, the weak, the helpless, the widow, the aged and orphan. Or you can debate ad-infinitum about whether a blastophere in a mother's womb is a "human person or not .

To: Greg or e who wrote (20270)	6/9/2005 6:07:31 PM
From: 2MAR$	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 28931

Found what seems a good Canadian Mennonite link on the subject of abortion here , they make their positions clear without harshness and emphasis on responsibility ,understanding, tolerance and forgiveness mhsc.ca The majority of us believes that most abortions cannot be justified on moral grounds, although we are unwilling to say that abortion is never justified. We do not agree what circumstances justify abortion: most believe that an abortion is justified where the mother's life is at stake; many support an abortion if the pregnancy is a result of rape or incest, or if there is a high probability of severe genetic disease; some support abortion for a variety of personal and social reasons. Some of us, however, believe that abortion is never justified. Therefore, we urge that Christians engage in this discerning process rather than making isolated individual decisions, recognizing that such a process will often involve only a small group within a congregation. We believe that a harsh legalistic position that is put forth by the group without loving concern for the individual is often hurtful to persons facing abortion decisions. At the same time we believe the church must have standards that it upholds for its members. regards M