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To: Elroy who wrote (236444)	6/9/2005 3:26:19 AM
From: Tenchusatsu	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1570743

Elroy, Fine, but the UN was a totally new body at the time, and every one of the Arab countries voted against the resolution, so what good was it? Yeah, instead the Arab countries thought they could kick Israel out by force. Whoops. Another reason to believe that the Arab countries never really wanted a Palestinian state, except to oppose Israel. Tenchusatsu

To: Elroy who wrote (236444)	6/9/2005 6:47:52 AM
From: steve harris	Respond to of 1570743

Let's dismantle the US. The native Americans didn't even get a chance to vote before losing everything...

To: Elroy who wrote (236444)	6/9/2005 1:13:28 PM
From: RetiredNow	Respond to of 1570743

So then if every Arab state voted against the UN resolution creating a Palestinian state, wouldn't you say that it is more the Arab's fault that the Palestinians have no state? Despite the Arabs not voting for that resolution, it did get passed. So despite Arab opposition, all the Palestinians had to do was declare sovereignty and secure their borders. But they didn't. Fast forward to today. All the Palestinians need to do to gain a state is declare one today and it's theirs. Borders will still be in dispute, no doubt, but I think there are bigger problems than that. 1) Palestinians still act as if they are a collection of tribes, instead of heading their one elected voice in government. 2) Palestinians have weak governmental institutions besides the military: weak courts, corrupt tax and spend programs, weak electoral processes, lack of transparency, and weak social needs systems. So forget about Israel for the moment. Even if Israel gave the Palestinians everything they want, the Palestinians still have an incredible amount of work to do on themselves before they become a viable state. Sovereignty is the least of their issues.

To: Elroy who wrote (236444)	6/9/2005 3:22:01 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1570743

The U.N. resolution that allowed Israel to declare sovereignty in 1948 also allowed for a Palestinian state. However, the Palestinians did not create their own state. Instead, they decided to work with the Arabs to fight the Jews. Fine, but the UN was a totally new body at the time, and every one of the Arab countries voted against the resolution, so what good was it? What does it matter in Australia votes to create a new state next to Bolivia and Paraguay if Bolivia and Paraguay vote against it? Good point. Up to the 1940s, the UK had been promoting Palestine as a possible location for the a Jewish state. However, even they backed off from that position. Had it not been solely for the US, Israel as we know it would not exist today.