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To: tejek who wrote (236698)	6/10/2005 2:39:46 PM
From: longnshort	Respond to of 1572696

They like playing near G. Bush. Bush is so great he rubs off good vibrations. Go NATS, Go BUSH

To: tejek who wrote (236698)	6/10/2005 3:01:45 PM
From: RetiredNow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1572696

tejek, in many of my posts, one of my constant themes is that the Muslims of the Middle East adhere to a very violent culture. I have stated this to point out that the U.S. isn't the only problem here. It is sometimes useful to hold a mirror up the Muslims of the Middle East, so that everyone will realize they too have things they need to fix within their culture. When I've stated this, you have come back at me imputing into my statement that I must think Muslims are sub-human or not as good as the Westerners etc. My response has always been that it has more to do with their history and environment that makes them what they are, but that doesn't diminish the fact that their very culture is one of violence. I found some statements by a Lebanese historian by the name of Kemal Salibi that supports what I have been trying to explain to you and others about the Middle East: "The liberal tradition in the West tries to impute to the behavior of the native or the underdog an idealist position which is not really there. They want to think of the peoples of this region as 'noble savages,' as Jean-Jeacques Rousseau put it. Instead of saying, what we have here is an outmoded form of thinking clashing with an attempt to construct modern nation states...When it comes to thinking about Middle East politics, the American liberal mind is often chasing rainbows. They are living in a world of delusion." I also pulled a quote from Thomas Friedman, who has 30 years of reporting experience in the Middle East: "They [Western observers of the Middle East] assume that all the surface trappings of nation-statehood (the parliaments, the flags, and the democratic rhetoric) can fully explain the politics of these countries, and that tribalism and brutal authoritarianism are now either things of the past or aberrations from the norm; the lesson of Hama or Halabja or South Yemen is that they are not."