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To: cnyndwllr who wrote (120287)	6/15/2005 1:12:02 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Respond to of 793912

Reporters cannot travel anywhere in Iraq outside the green zone without full military support. Cannot, or will not? There is plenty of Iraq besides Al Anbar to report from; how many reports have you seen? Even when reporters do embed, do they just do "drive-by reporting", or do they try to put together a bigger picture? Here is a report from Stephen Vincent from Basra, he seems to have left the Green Zone ok: nationalreview.com And here is Michael Yon, reporting on the battle for Mosul, michaelyon.blogspot.com Do read past posts by Michael Yon, especially where he explains how news is assembled on the cheap in Iraq, meaning bodycounts and nothing but bodycounts, helpfully provided by the military with almost no reporting required.

To: cnyndwllr who wrote (120287)	6/15/2005 3:21:14 PM
From: KLP	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793912

Gosh, Ed...Are you trying to diminish the value of any of the service men and women who have served in the Military, because they didn't have "famous parents", or "famous senior Government worker parents...."????? Surely you aren't. Your thoughts on some things (i.e. class anger) seem to echo these on socialist worker online: socialistworker.org

To: cnyndwllr who wrote (120287)	6/15/2005 8:49:25 PM
From: TimF	Respond to of 793912

As the army recruitment efforts reveal, however, the key to getting young people to serve is, at least in part, to convince their parents that it's the right thing to do. I guess we need a recruiter in the halls of power because their children and grandchildren aren't serving. The "elite" are less likely to serve. And this is probably true even if the parents think it is a good idea. People who grow up wealthy often think they are entitled to more than what they are likely to get on a battlefield. It wasn't always this way but apparently there has been some sort of shift in our culture. In my view if you're going to send men to fight and face death then you should believe in the cause so strongly that you'd be willing to send your own kids or go yourself. Once again, they are mostly too old and they can't send their kids. The kids have to go themselves, they are not the property of their parents. How do you know? Your story isn't the only story about Iraqi soldiers. There are plenty of others, some of which are posted here. You take one story and imply that it is solid evidence that the Iraqi army is going nowhere and will go nowhere, and now you imply that any positive story is bogus because all stories are filtered through our military. Sorry but that's ridiculous. Tim