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To: Road Walker who wrote (116)	6/16/2005 5:50:45 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 492

I'm not "thinking partisan". I'm thinking of the real world pragmatic results that existence of partisanship creates. "Thinking partisan" would be trying to set the policy to benefit some party over some other party. I wasn't doing that. You can avoid partisanship while still recognizing that even if we can get broad agreement on a set of pragmatic principles and platform items, that any attempt to get them enacted or even seriously considered is going to have to deal with the political world as it exists. You can have ideas for changing the way the political world functions but they have to start in today's political world. Ideas for change are going to run in to practical/pragmatic opposition, and ideological opposition, and also partisan considerations. You can isolate the ideas you are pushing from the methods you are going to use to try and get them considered. You can wait until you are solid about the ideas before you consider the political landscape at all. But once you have the ideas, you have to deal with the real world. And if the ideas where chosen in a process totally divorced from political considerations then they may well be pie in the sky ideas that will go nowhere. But then if you really just want to deal with ideas, and leave the real world politics out if it, I can do that. Certainly some of the ideas I support aren't going to get enacted and it doesn't stop me from supporting them. Tim