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To: Grainne who wrote (106118)	6/17/2005 12:39:22 PM
From: The Philosopher	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Everyone in a society is entitled to their own opinion about how animals are raised.... I would note that whenever you talk about farm animals you write very coldly and clinically. You may have had relationships with them, but you certainly don't talk about them in any affectionate or gentle way, but like they are unfeeling objects, from the posts I can recall. Just to make sure I understand your position, when you say that everyone is entitled to their own opinion about how animals are raised, you are agreeing that OR is entitled to his opinion that animals raised for food are an industrial commodity, right? You certainly don't accept that position yourself, that's clear. But it sounds as though you don't think OR should adopt that position either, which if true seems at conflict with your statement that everyone is entitled to their opinion about how animals are raised. I agree with your opening statement. And while I think it's entirely appropriate to put forward facts and information which you think may change the minds of others to agree with your opinion, I hope you're not implying in the process that they aren't just as entitled to their opinions as you are to yours.

To: Grainne who wrote (106118)	6/17/2005 1:07:43 PM
From: Oral Roberts	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Part of the problem is everyone is entitled to your opinion. If not your opinion on farming well then they are wrong. You read thousands of articles that say the same thing and you have not one second of your time to admit that might not be the whole story. You don't read anything that isn't of the slant that factory farming is horrible so your opinion is so skewed from what is really going on in farming that yes I find it . exasperating. You make blanket statements about an entire industry as if you know for certain that this is what is going on all across America and it's nonsense. You may not agree with large numbers of animals being factory farmed but here are some facts, those animals are not abused on a wide scale. It's counter productive. Abused animals don't breed back, they don't eat like they should and they won't make milk. In other words if they were truly abused the problem is over in short order because the farmer will be broke. You can say you think they should be munching clover in a pasture somewhere rather then being fed a total ration from a trough but that isn't what you say. You say if they aren't munching organic clover then they are being abused and that is just wrong. But it does no good to argue with you because as I've stated you read hundreds of articles that give one very narrow view and you believe that is gospel and the one and only way. Since I not only read articles and have taken courses with our ag extension offices and at our ag college in Ashland and of course 45 years of actually being around farming and farm animals I find your narrow view that all of us that aren't certified organic are abusing animals to be maddening as hell.