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To: geode00 who wrote (164387)6/17/2005 10:27:41 PM
From: jlallen  Respond to of 281500
 
COVERUP and IMPEACHMENT are being bandied about on a regular basis as are CHAOS, VIETNAM and CIVIL WAR.

Only on the lunatic fringe...



To: geode00 who wrote (164387)6/18/2005 9:03:03 AM
From: stockman_scott  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Congressman John Conyers sent a letter in reply to Milbank's column. BRAD BLOG has the letter. Since someone's gotta be the media while WaPo (The Washington Post) continues its seemingly hell-bent attempt to continue its spiral towards irrelevance...and since we don't particularly expect WaPo to publish it themselves...we guess we'll do it...

June 17, 2005

Mr. Michael Abramowitz, National Editor
Mr. Michael Getler, Ombudsman
Mr. Dana Milbank
The Washington Post
1150 15th Street, NW
Washington, D.C. 20071

Dear Sirs:

I write to express my profound disappointment with Dana Milbank's June 17 report, "Democrats Play House to Rally Against the War," which purports to describe a Democratic hearing I chaired in the Capitol yesterday. In sum, the piece cherry-picks some facts, manufactures others out of whole cloth, and does a disservice to some 30 members of Congress who persevered under difficult circumstances, not of our own making, to examine a very serious subject: whether the American people were deliberately misled in the lead up to war. The fact that this was the Post's only coverage of this event makes the journalistic shortcomings in this piece even more egregious.

In an inaccurate piece of reporting that typifies the article, Milbank implies that one of the obstacles the Members in the meeting have is that "only one" member has mentioned the Downing Street Minutes on the floor of either the House or Senate. This is not only incorrect but misleading. In fact, just yesterday, the Senate Democratic Leader, Harry Reid, mentioned it on the Senate floor. Senator Boxer talked at some length about it at the recent confirmation hearing for the Ambassador to Iraq. The House Democratic Leader, Nancy Pelosi, recently signed on to my letter, along with 121 other Democrats asking for answers about the memo. This information is not difficult to find either. For example, the Reid speech was the subject of an AP wire service report posted on the Washington Post website with the headline "Democrats Cite Downing Street Memo in Bolton Fight". Other similar mistakes, mischaracterizations and cheap shots are littered throughout the article.

The article begins with an especially mean and nasty tone, claiming that House Democrats "pretended" a small conference was the Judiciary Committee hearing room and deriding the decor of the room. Milbank fails to share with his readers one essential fact: the reason the hearing was held in that room, an important piece of context. Despite the fact that a number of other suitable rooms were available in the Capitol and House office buildings, Republicans declined my request for each and every one of them. Milbank could have written about the perseverance of many of my colleagues in the face of such adverse circumstances, but declined to do so. Milbank also ignores the critical fact picked up by the AP, CNN and other newsletters that at the very moment the hearing was scheduled to begin, the Republican Leadership scheduled an almost unprecedented number of 11 consecutive floor votes, making it next to impossible for most Members to participate in the first hour and one half of the hearing.

In what can only be described as a deliberate effort to discredit the entire hearing, Milbank quotes one of the witnesses as making an anti-semitic assertion and further describes anti-semitic literature that was being handed out in the overflow room for the event. First, let me be clear: I consider myself to be friend and supporter of Israel and there were a number of other staunchly pro-Israel members who were in attendance at the hearing. I do not agree with, support, or condone any comments asserting Israeli control over U.S. policy, and I find any allegation that Israel is trying to dominate the world or had anything to do with the September 11 tragedy disgusting and offensive.

That said, to give such emphasis to 100 seconds of a 3 hour and five minute hearing that included the powerful and sad testimony (hardly mentioned by Milbank) of a woman who lost her son in the Iraq war and now feels lied to as a result of the Downing Street Minutes, is incredibly misleading. Many, many different pamphlets were being passed out at the overflow room, including pamphlets about getting out of the Iraq war and anti-Central American Free Trade Agreement, and it is puzzling why Milbank saw fit to only mention the one he did.

In a typically derisive and uninformed passage, Milbank makes much of other lawmakers calling me "Mr. Chairman" and says I liked it so much that I used "chairmanly phrases." Milbank may not know that I was the Chairman of the House Government Operations Committee from 1988 to 1994. By protocol and tradition in the House, once you have been a Chairman you are always referred to as such. Thus, there was nothing unusual about my being referred to as Mr. Chairman.

To administer his coup-de-grace, Milbank literally makes up another cheap shot that I "was having so much fun that [I] ignored aides' entreaties to end the session." This did not occur. None of my aides offered entreaties to end the session and I have no idea where Milbank gets that information. The hearing certainly ran longer than expected, but that was because so many Members of Congress persevered under very difficult circumstances to attend, and I thought - given that - the least I could do was allow them to say their piece. That is called courtesy, not "fun."

By the way, the "Downing Street Memo" is actually the minutes of a British cabinet meeting. In the meeting, British officials - having just met with their American counterparts - describe their discussions with such counterparts. I mention this because that basic piece of context, a simple description of the memo, is found nowhere in Milbank's article.

The fact that I and my fellow Democrats had to stuff a hearing into a room the size of a large closet to hold a hearing on an important issue shouldn't make us the object of ridicule. In my opinion, the ridicule should be placed in two places: first, at the feet of Republicans who are so afraid to discuss ideas and facts that they try to sabotage our efforts to do so; and second, on Dana Milbank and the Washington Post, who do not feel the need to give serious coverage on a serious hearing about a serious matter - whether more than 1700 Americans have died because of a deliberate lie. Milbank may disagree, but the Post certainly owed its readers some coverage of that viewpoint.

Sincerely,

John Conyers, Jr.

bradblog.com



To: geode00 who wrote (164387)6/18/2005 10:04:21 AM
From: stockman_scott  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Talk of Bush impeachment becoming more evident
____________________________________

Elizabeth Bishop

onlineathens.com

Once again, Athens Banner-Herald columnist Ed Tant has brought the many problems with the war in Iraq and the Bush administration's inept or immoral policies to our attention

(Column, "Americans getting tired of Bush's war in Iraq," June 11).

It is unfortunate some of this country's citizens still believe in this debacle and continue to view the Bush administration in a favorable light. It is also unfortunate so many are so willing to blindly follow these leaders, apparently believing their fantastic tales and fantasies. One has only to listen carefully to Bush and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld to grasp the meaninglessness of their double-speak and impotent claims.

What should be clear by now is that we are not winning anything in Iraq. We are not gaining any useful information in Guantanamo. We are no longer being looked up to by the rest of the world. Worse still, our actions have promoted terrorists and terrorism.

Our reputation for fairness, our belief in human rights and democracy are all being shattered by policies that will eventually destroy us.

John Dean, counsel in the Nixon White House, and Paul Craig Roberts, an assistant treasury secretary in the Reagan administration, have written about impeachment in connection with the Bush administration. All Americans should think seriously about this possibility and support any in Congress who believe it is an unfortunate, although necessary, act in order to restore our country's integrity.

Elizabeth Bishop

Martin



To: geode00 who wrote (164387)6/18/2005 11:25:51 AM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 281500
 
Messengers of Truth: Untangling a Knot of Lies

By Kevin Zeese

americanchronicle.com

June 17 Speech by Kevin Zeese at Lafayette Park Downing Street Rally

Who thinks that President Bush misled us - lied to us - bamboozled us into invading and occupying Iraq?

He told Americans there were unmanned Iraqi aircraft that could drop bombs over our cities. His own intelligence agencies told him this was inaccurate. He tied Saddam to Al Qaeda and Bin Laden - there was no evidence of that. He talked about Saddam being able to launch a strike on the United States in 45 minutes - there was no evidence for this. He talked about the potential of a mushroom cloud over the United States - a nuclear attack by Saddam - there was no evidence for this. He used fear mongering tactics to scare people into supporting an unnecessary war. President Bush did not lie to us once, he did not lie to us twice - he lied, and lied, and lied and lied - for month after month. Because he and his minions repeated the lies so often many in the Congress and the media were fooled by their drumbeat of war lies and as a result the American people were fooled - thousands of Americans were led to death or serious injury and more than 100,000 Iraqis were killed.

The Downing Street Memos talk about the Administration "fixing the intelligence." In fact, not only were they fixing the intelligence - they were manipulating it, misusing it, making statements that contradicted it. Lying about it.

The truth was that as bad a dictator as Saddam was - and he was bad - he was no threat to anyone in the United States or any of the countries that surround Iraq. We had daily aircraft surveillance over most of Iraq. We were able to bomb at will. Iraq was weakened by economic sanctions. UN inspectors were searching the country even presidential palaces. Iraq had a dilapidated army. Saddam was an unpopular leader who controlled by fear - his country would not fight for him.

All this was obvious and true before we invaded Iraq. But Bush's lies hid the truth - clouded U.S. thinking - and led us into an illegal, unjustified war that has turned into a worsening quagmire that makes the United States less safe, less secure and less respected around the world.

What are we going to do about it?

We are going to hold the president accountable. We are going to get the truth out. He cannot be allowed to lie repeatedly to the American people and send more than 1,700 soldiers to death, 20,000 with life changing serious injuries, kill more than 100,000 Iraqis and destroy many cities and towns in Iraq leaving hundreds of thousands homeless.

The President is not above the law. He is subject to the law like any other American. His manipulation of intelligence and lies to go to war are obvious impeachable offenses. We need Congress to take action. We need the opposition party to truly oppose the President and introduce a Resolution of Inquiry - demand that the first step toward impeachment be taken.

The truth cannot speak for itself. It needs a spokesperson - a messenger. You, all here today, the bloggers and webmasters who write about this and the hundreds of thousands who signed Congressman Conyers petition are the messengers of truth. If we all speak the truth it will be heard. It is being heard despite a corporate news blackout. If we demand that our elected officials speak the truth - is that too much to ask - if we demand they speak the truth, the truth will be heard. That is our task - it sounds simple enough - make sure the truth is heard so the big ball of lies can be untangled.

The truth will come out. And as it does the president's credibility will diminish. The anchor of his lies to go to war will pull him down. It will pull down support for this war. When he speaks people will wonder - is he lying to us again? He will be diminished and the war - already unpopular with nearly 60% of Americans saying it is time for US troops to come home - will become less popular. And, the war will end - our troops will come home.

Already - not just a majority but a landslide majority is opposing this war. It cuts across political party lines - Greens have been advocating against the war and for impeachment, as have Libertarians, Democrats and now some Republicans. This is an unpopular war and this will become an unpopular president.

Already Republicans are calling for an end to the war and realize they were misled - Rep. Walter Jones - known for renaming the Congresses French Fries "Freedom Fries" - has called for withdrawal and acknowledged he was misled on the House Floor. More and more Republicans will face the truth as more information comes out. Then they will have to make a choice - do they cover-up for a lame duck president who deceived them and the American people on the most important issue faced by a president - sending troops to war - or do they side with the truth and join us as messengers for truth.

And the evidence will compound. What will intelligence officials, Colin Powell and others in the administration or formerly in the administration say under oath? What kind of email, memorandums and other documents will come out when they are subpoenaed? The truth is there - it just needs to be set free.

Just as lies led us into this war - the uncovering of lies and speaking the truth will get us out of this war.