To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (237808 ) 6/18/2005 3:13:17 PM From: tejek Respond to of 1573088 Re: What gives any country the right to exist.........the powers that be. One of the most powerful nations of that time decided that the Jews deserved their own state and made sure it happened. If so, "right" is a misnomer and you should have phrased it as, "What gives any country the Might to exist........." Re: Get over it and move on! Israel ain't going anywhere. Well, this is somehow inconsistent with your legitimizing of Israel based on might... Geopoltical might has proved a rather transient, ever elusive feature throughout History --just ask the Templars and the Catholic knights who ruled over Palestine from 1099 to 1187... Or the French Pieds-Noirs who swayed Algérie Française from 1830 to 1962. Why is it inconsistent? Initially..the first 2-3 decades, Israel's right to exist was protected by might.....the US and the UK to be specific. During that time, with the able assistance of the Americans and the Brits, Israel developed its military infrastructure. It is now THE superpower in the region. That position may be transistory but I doubt it.....at least not in the immediate future.Re: You are talking a piece of land the size of New Jersey that was mostly desert. Well, if Palestine has been but an uninhabited wilderness all along, how come the crusades failed repeatedly? I didn't say it was deserted but that it was mostly desert.......actually I exaggerated........its was probably half desert when Israel announced its independence. I think there were roughly a million people living there at the time. How come it's been impossible for successive armies made up of Europe's best knights to conquer and keep the Holy Land for centuries? Did they all... just get lost in the desert? Did they just die from insolation and thirst? Was climate their sole enemy? I am unclear of the point you are making here. This part of the ME acts as a crossroads for three continents and tended to get plenty of visits from invading armies. Why some were successful and others not is due to a number of factors which I would rather not get into because it can result in a long discussion that is of little interest to me.Re: Get over it and move on! Israel ain't going anywhere. You're right as far as the land, the soil, and the religions are concerned. Hopefully, there'll always be Arabs, Jews, Muslims and Christians living together in the Middle East, in one form or another. The form itself, however, will be subject to changes. Possibly. Maybe not....no one can really predict the future. However, the statement I was making is that the current Israelis who are mostly Jews are not going anywhere in the forseeable future. ted