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To: Slagle who wrote (65200)	6/18/2005 9:37:33 PM
From: Gib Bogle	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 74559

Slagle, that's an interesting way to look at it. Presumably you'd agree at least that the US has some of the features of democracy (voting, and all that). You must get a funny feeling when you read GWB's frequent pronouncements about taking democracy to various parts of the world. You must think, "Why is he so keen to give them a political system that the US doesn't have?" I guess I share your cynicism, but not your extreme beliefs. I share some of Ray's ideas about how the world would be a better place, but not his extreme beliefs. My position on democracy is very unremarkable: a democratic system for choosing governments does not prevent gross injustices, but on average it's a better way to do it than any other. My position on human nature is that I don't see it improving. To me, fascism is innate, at least in the cultural sense (as a meme), or even genetically. It's easy to explain in evolutionary terms why this should be so. That doesn't mean we have to like it, and I don't (I'm with the free-thinkers). But we do need to face it, along with other unpleasant realities. Gib