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To: tejek who wrote (237900)	6/20/2005 5:28:30 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1571576

Re: isn't that what we did with the Native American? I don't hear your heart bleeding over them. Well, the Palestinian/Native American parallel is quite a spurious, if hackneyed, argument... I guess we ought to think of nations, countries, empires and states as "(geo)political life forms" that all belong to specific, limited spans of History. Millions of years ago, dinosaurs roam the earth... yet today, apart from sci-fi authors like Crichton, Spielberg,..., nobody is seriously contemplating the return of a dinosaur-ruled world. Dinosaurs had their time, they enjoyed their "window of opportunity", but now, they are history --prehistory, that is. Likewise, the setup of a Jewish colonial enclave in Palestine in 1948 can also be viewed as an anachronistic fancy. I think that Israel would be much more legitimate today if it had been enforced in, say, 1830, that is, in the XIXth century --the golden age of the Nation-State. To contrive nation-states in the middle of the XXth century, somehow, is as ludicrous as to call for the restoration of Europe's dukedoms, baronies, and earldoms of yore! For instance, four hundred years ago, Belgium didn't exist as such: the country was made up of the Brabant dukedom, the Hainaut earldom, the archbishopric of Liège, the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg, etc., all vying with each other as sovereign fiefdoms. Yet, despite the colorful and prestigious memories of those times, you won't find many Belgians calling for the restoration of a medieval Belgium --quite the opposite: you'll find Flemings and Walloons urging a post-Belgian republic.... So, the fact that dukedoms and baronies thrived throughout Europe 500 years ago doesn't make them credible, workable institutions for the 21st century! Likewise, the fact that the 19th century spawned almost all of the nation-states that are still extant today doesn't make the creation of the Israeli nation-state in 1948 the silver bullet against anti-Semitism.... Gus

To: tejek who wrote (237900)	6/20/2005 12:38:07 PM
From: Elmer Flugum	Respond to of 1571576

tejek, What you hear from me is not whining, but a call for human rights for Palestinian people. As far as Native Americans are concerned, I am in their camp and actually wish to live on the land, have actually, and support their rights and re-dressing of the genocide perpetrated against them by European Christians flee-ing religious persecution (as the story goes). You can see the same ruse being used by those who claim to be Jews in Palestine. Zionists like to hide behind America's ugly history to justify their own as if two wrongs make it right. The Holocaust Museums are owned by the American people. They pay for the upkeep of the Museums and have subsidized the building of them by folks who made tax-deductible "donations" for them to be built. It is for this reason that I have suggested that the Holoccaust Museums be re-named "Genocide Museums". I say this because the Holocaust has been marketed to be a Jewish victim affair only and the one and only genocide that gets much attention, nearly daily. The Holocaust Museums have become the fund-raising arm of Isra'El. All paid for by the American taxpayers. If the American people, a nation of many faiths, cultures, etc, are paying for the building and maintenance, the museums should reflect, in equal measure, all victims of genocide. "Isra'El will not survive as a "Jewish State" and it should not either." Because I, and the rest of the world will demand it. The ruse that established it, through terror, myth, and guilt, will be exposed and it will be all up for this Apartheid colony. 54 is my age. len