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To: redfish who wrote (106286)	6/19/2005 4:43:58 PM
From: Ish	Respond to of 108807

<<The reason I despise Bush supporters, among them many of the people who post here, is that they keep pulling stunts like Jeb Bush's latest Schiavo caper. These people are fueled by pure malice and imo should be horse-whipped.>> Congratulations, you won the idiot of the day award.

To: redfish who wrote (106286)	6/20/2005 10:22:35 PM
From: Win Smith	Respond to of 108807

Ok, I had to look that one up, concisely summarized in this story: editorandpublisher.com Jeb Bush Battles 'NY Times' Over Schiavo Case By E&P Staff Published: June 18, 2005 4:00 PM ET NEW YORK A pitched battle has broken out between Gov. Jeb Bush and The New York Times--on the newspaper's editorial page. Two days ago, the Times criticized the governor in an editorial called "Autopsy on the Schiavo Tragedy." While not naming Bush, it denounced "opportunistic politicians" who exploited the case. Today, the Times published a hard-hitting, critical letter from Jeb Bush--and another editorial attacking him. Bush, in his letter, said that the Times' "grotesque and chilling disrespect for the sanctity of life has never been more apparent than in your June 16 editorial...Terri Schiavo was a deeply loved daughter, wife, sister and friend. The fact that her brain was atrophied or that she was blind or could not have been rehabilitated doesn't change that fact. "While many medical professionals said she was in a persistent vegetative state, still other highly respected neurologists said there was a chance that she was not. "In cases where patients do not have an expressed written directive regarding end-of-life decisions and where the patient's guardian has a conflict of interest, it only makes sense to err on the side of life....Despite claims of cynicism and being 'agenda-driven,' we will continue to strive to protect our most vulnerable citizens. All innocent human life is precious, and government has a duty to protect the weak, the disabled and the vulnerable." While not directly responding to the letter, the Times published another editorial, which opened with: "After Terri Schiavo was finally allowed to rest in peace on March 31, we hoped she would also have been granted in death what she surely would have wanted - an end to the bitterness that divided her family and made her private suffering a public spectacle.... "And so it was heartbreaking yesterday to see Gov. Jeb Bush of Florida thrust himself back into this tragedy just two days after the results of Ms. Schiavo's autopsy showed that her condition had been beyond hope and beyond therapy, that she most likely had been in a persistent vegetative state and that her relatives' allegations that she had been abused by her husband were false. "For most of the nation, that news provided closure on a wrenching episode. But not for Mr. Bush, who asked a state prosecutor to investigate Michael Schiavo, Ms. Schiavo's husband. Mr. Bush said he wanted to clear up discrepancies in Mr. Schiavo's statements over the last 15 years about the time that elapsed between his finding his wife on the floor and his 911 call... "Of all the politicians who tragically failed to understand and respect the sanctity and privacy of family life in this case, only Mr. Bush seems determined to save face by disturbing the family's peace further and berating those who had been saying all along that he was going down a terrible road." Um. Personally, I have the jaundiced view that I'd rather have the true believers engaged in the culture wars than off starting real wars, which they seem equally into. Elsewhere on the Schiavo front, I came acrosss this amusing story: mediamatters.org Dubious doctor touted as Nobel Prize nominee by Hannity, Scarborough Fox News host Sean Hannity and MSNBC host Joe Scarborough both promoted Dr. William Hammesfahr's false claim that he is a Nobel Prize nominee. Hammesfahr* testified during an October 2002 court hearing on the Schiavo case that his claim to be a Nobel nominee is based on a letter written by Rep. Mike Bilirakis (R-FL) recommending him for the prize. But Bilirakis is not qualified to make a valid nomination under the Nobel rules. According to the process posted on the Nobel Prize website, the Nobel Assembly sends out invitations to approximately 3,000 people who are allowed to propose candidates. The 3,000 are "mainly members of the Nobel Assembly, previous prize winners, and a selection of professors at universities around the world." In providing detailed information about those who can submit nominations, the site states: . . . The extremely dubious Nobel angle was dutifully picked up by a few righteous outlets, but mercifully not a lot: news.google.com I'm sure that people equally qualified as Bilirak are currently nominating W for the Nobel Peace Prize, without a hint of war-is-peace irony, either. You just got to believe. I imagine that the real Nobel people, sadly bogged down in conventional reality, will pay about as much attention as the medicine people will pay to Hammesfahr and Bilirakis. It's all part of the liberal MSM conspiracy, or something.