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To: Keith Feral who wrote (164433)	6/19/2005 3:34:45 PM
From: Suma	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

It ain't over until the fat lady sings. You have one perspective, I another. You insist you are right. I will not insist. I will await the outcome.. So far, all that I had thought about this venture...the war...and those reasons given for going into Iraq ..which I thought were fake at the time have all proved to be correct. It's not being right however. It's that your approach is more in line with what Bush would do. I disagree with his approach, what he has done and what he thinks he can accomplish.. You like to lump people. I can see that by your calling names of people..like left wingers. You know I could be a conservative Republican, which I once was, but you have all ready lumped me into a label because of my thinking. You seem to think that everyone who disagrees with Bush, or what he has done is a left winger... You might be wrong. And what is this about political office. Ridiculous comment. Who the hell cares about political office. I care about this Country. What our image is in the World. How many people have been killed. Why are we even there in Iraq... and so on and so on. What culture is encouraging murder against all impure forms of Islam... Our culture.. and then you are saying we cannot be trusted. You might have a point there.

To: Keith Feral who wrote (164433)	6/19/2005 4:33:22 PM
From: geode00	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Saddam was a secular dictator. "....President Jalal Talabani's backing of the Shiite Badr Brigade militia came despite accusations by Sunni leaders that the militia has killed members of the minority. The Sunni leaders have demanded it be disarmed and complained it provides intelligence and support for some Shiite-dominated special security units.... The Badr Brigade was the military wing of the country's largest Shiite political party, the Supreme Council of the Islamic Republic in Iraq — or SCIRI. The party claims the Badr Brigade is no longer a militia but performs social and political functins. "Badr is a patriotic group that works for Iraq's interest and it will not be dragged into sectarian or any other kind of conflict," said Abdul-Aziz al-Hakim, SCIRI's leader and the former commander of the Badr Brigade. "Badr is for all Iraqis," he added. Talabani, himself a Sunni Kurd, spoke at a conference marking the second anniversary of the Badr Brigade's transformation from a solely military body to a political one. "May those who describe the heroes of Badr and their Kurdish brothers as militia be doomed to failure," Talabani said. "You and your (Kurdish) brothers are the heroes of liberating Iraq," he added. "You, my brothers, march on without paying attention to the enemies' claims because you and the (Kurdish militia) are faithful sons of this country." There are no accurate figures on the size of the brigade, but it is thought to be smaller than the Kurdish Peshmerga militia, estimated at 100,000. The Peshmerga has been largely exempted from efforts to disband militias because of its close ties to the United States and its supporting role during the war. Sunni criticism of Talabani's remarks was swift, with Abdul-Salam al-Qubeisi, spokesman of the influential Association of Muslim Scholars, saying the president was acting in line with "U.S. policies to prolong the struggle in Iraq and turn it into an Iraq-Iraq conflict." Al-Qubeisi accused the Badr Brigade of providing intelligence to units such as the feared Wolf Brigade, an elite commando unit from the Interior Ministry that is headed by a top SCIRI member. "We do not have problems with this party or another, we only have problems with the chasing and killing of Sunni clerics and their followers," al-Qubeisi said. "Even the militia elements who have joined the Iraqi army have been heavy-handed during army operations." ..... usatoday.com sciri.btinternet.co.uk