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To: RMF who wrote (11500)	6/20/2005 2:43:05 AM
From: Sully-	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 35834

...."It was simply a recognition of how HIDEOUSLY "some" prisoners have been treated in our overseas military prisons." Sorry dude, but you are completely wrong. First Durbin was talking specifically about GITMO. The fact that there have been ZERO deaths & ZERO significant injuries at GITMO is proof enough that Durbin's statement is completely unhinged, outrageous & absurd on their face. There is no policy from the Bush Admin or the military that even condones "hideous" treatment, let alone any proof that it is widespread. The fact that our military thoroughly investigates & punishes those who violate our established policies (which happen to be among, if not the best for humane treatment of POW's in the world) for POW's & detainees is sufficient proof that there is no legitimate comparison to Hitler, Stalin or Pol Pot. What Durbin did was an outright slander of our military & the Bush Admin. The fact that he is a US Senator who said this on the floor of the US Senate boggles the mind. Durbin provided one of the best pieces of propaganda for the enemy yet. The fact that most of the Dem party & libs in general have no problem with this is just more proof how completely unhinged from reality they have become. Nothing short of a sincere apology & a complete retraction of his statement on the floor of the Senate will begin to rehabilitate those words. Nothing!

To: RMF who wrote (11500)	6/20/2005 2:51:48 AM
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...."Have you READ about how "some" prisoners in Afghanistan were TORTURED to DEATH?" Yes I have & once again there is absolutely no credible evidence that the Bush Admin or our military have any policy that condones, approves, or as a matter of policy, allows the abuse of prisoners or detainees. Instead, they investigate every credible allegation & prosecute those who abuse any POW. And I note two KEY WORDS in your pontification - "some". There is no way you can make the grand leap from a few isolated (and prosecuted) incidents of abuse & murder to a legitimate comparison of our military & Hitler, Stalin or Pol Pot. The only people capable of making such an unhinged comparison are our enemies & those with such deep hatred for our military & our President that they no longer are capable of reality based thought. * Gen. Richard B. MEYERS: "We've had 68,000 detainees since this conflict against violent extremism started. We've had 325 investigations into alleged abuse. We've had 100 cases of substantiated abuse and there are 100 individuals that have had some sort of action taken, either court-martial or administrative action."..... * This article .... provides further details about the detainees who died while in U.S. custody. Among the deaths listed: - 29 were attributed to natural causes or accidents; - 18 were deemed "justified homicide" or "suspected justified homicide;” - only 23 were being "investigated as involving criminal homicide or abuse by U.S. personnel." Among those 23, just 3 were explicitly attributed to murder, with the rest still under investigation or involving lesser charges such as derilection of duty, maltreatment, and involuntary manslaughter. (By the way, the U.S. Army, Navy, and other government agencies were able to provide this information to the ACLU because, unlike the ACLU, ahem, they did not shred these sensitive records.) It is possible that additional U.S. military personnel have been charged with murder since the AP article was published, but 3 is a long, long way from "almost 100." washingtontimes.com Message 21385026 michellemalkin.com Message 21396399

To: RMF who wrote (11500)	6/20/2005 3:02:03 AM
From: Sully-	Respond to of 35834

...."Durbin didn't say those soldiers were nazis or gulag guards, he just said that if you read about their tactics you WOULDN'T think they were American soldiers." Once again, you are trying to rehabilitate Durbins statement which is on the record & which he refuses to retract. There is no need to spin, reinterpret or revise them into something other than what they really say & really mean. As I said before, you are making a distinction without a difference. And once again I will tell you that when you have evidence that puts our military on equal footing with Nazi Germany, Soviet gulags or the killing fields of Pol Pot, bring it here. Until then, don't wast the bandwidth. This thread is NOT about defending the indefensible with wild speculation, personal opinion or revisionist history. It is about exposing reality defying POV's for what they really are.

To: RMF who wrote (11500)	6/20/2005 3:52:35 AM
From: Sully-	Respond to of 35834

The Real Thing Power Line Marines in western Iraq made a sobering discovery yesterday that highlights the folly of those who decry "torture" at Abu Ghraib or Guantanamo Bay: <<< Marines on an operation to eliminate insurgents that began Friday broke through the outside wall of a building in this small rural village to find a torture center equipped with electric wires, a noose, handcuffs, a 574-page jihad manual - and four beaten and shackled Iraqis. >>> One way you can distinguish a real torture center from an American detention facility is that in the real thing, people keep dying: <<< "They kill somebody every day," said Mr. Fathil, whose hands were so swollen he could not open a can of Coke offered to him by a marine. "They've killed a lot of people." *** His town has always been a good place, he said, but the militants have made it hell. "These few are destroying it," he said, his face streaked with tears. "Everybody they take, they kill. It's on a daily basis pretty much." >>> What do you think; do you suppose we need a lot more news stories about how a guard at Gitmo accidentally touched a Koran? The liberals' public relations campaign against the American military and the Bush administration, based on the overblown Abu Ghraib story and the bogus Guantanamo Bay story, is a disgrace. powerlineblog.com