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Politics : Don't Blame Me, I Voted For Kerry -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Skywatcher who wrote (63504)	6/20/2005 8:49:32 PM
From: American Spirit	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 81568

I'll bet the Bush White House is worried about surviving past 2007 now. These Downing Street memos are just killing them. Plus the war itself going so far astray. Plus Terri Schiavo and all the rest of their garbage. Nothing has gone their way this second term and they aree becoming more and more exposed as liars, frauds, schemers, cheats, polluters and greedy gas gougers. If and when Delay falls, that could clear the way for impeachment. Rove may be out of dirty tricks too. What can they do, start a war with Iran? With what troops?

To: Skywatcher who wrote (63504)	6/20/2005 10:42:06 PM
From: Dan B.	Respond to of 81568

Nice of you to change the subject without comment. Sometimes (not always), Chris, it is a powerful tactic to quote others, Re: "...this country is following a dangerous trend when it permits too great a degree of centralization of governmental functions. I oppose this--in some instances the fight is a rather desperate one. But to attain any success, it is quite clear that the Federal government cannot avoid or escape responsibilities which the mass of the people firmly believe should be undertaken by it" --President Dwight D. Eisenhower in a letter to his brother Edgar, November 8, 1954 When battling against arguments such as this one, the fight is desperate indeed. What does mister Eisenhower wish to succeed at? Politics? Indeed, I suspect so. However, if the implication is instead success at limiting government, one cannot achieve it by maintaining and bolstering government. Mr. Eisenhower is certainly currently still, correct politically when he says "Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history (ok he's too long-term here for his own good. He thinks it can't change. - Dan B.). He is, however, quite wrong and childish to address a serious argument (one made with an eye to benefit the people, no less) with only the ad hominem "stupid," and very false stereotyping (of which I myself am proof, among so many others not at all wealthy). I believe the people need to come to understand what a truer freedom from government can bless them with. I further suspect strongly that it is only a matter of time 'til the screwed people will demand exactly what Eisenhower thought was a political party killer. I am happy to support what I view as the truth, in the mean time (doing so is a good part of what is called a "life", Chris, and it is my right here in the U.S.A., where my vision of the truth is very close to the vision our founders had, indeed, to spout it). Government power in just the areas mentioned, can and has wreaked havoc with the well being of the common man, whether the common man yet knows and understands this or not. I say again, in time, rest assured, the common man will know and understand just how well Freedom Works, Dan B.