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To: stockman_scott who wrote (17809)6/22/2005 9:38:36 PM
From: 49thMIMOMander  Respond to of 20773
 
EU, especially Scotland and Wales, plus Ireland, has promised
to handle London, one way or another.

The promise of handing out free chain saws (to Scotland,
Wales and Ireland) is still a valid plan, as is the promise
of free paddles for London.

However, it is mainly a question of that transatlantic
poodle bridge and waiting for a new generation.



To: stockman_scott who wrote (17809)6/22/2005 9:39:14 PM
From: 49thMIMOMander  Respond to of 20773
 
They are funny, in UK, what else do they have left nor right..



To: stockman_scott who wrote (17809)6/23/2005 8:35:57 AM
From: thames_sider  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 20773
 
If the US were to 'leave' Iraq, what of their bases there?

If I understand the PNAC agenda, one reason for invading Iraq was to set up US military bases there. This would serve three objectives:
- control of Iraq's oil reserves
- safer and more stable environment than Saudi, more likely to be tolerated by Muslims
- better geo-strategic base for dominance of central Asia and ME, especially Caspian and former USSR satellites

Iraq certainly can't stop the US setting up these bases or running them for as long as it chooses, however unpleasant it becomes for civilians and whatever the consequences for the US elsewhere. The US can obviously apply sufficient pressure on the Iraqi leaders to get (arguable) legal title...

>> Are these bases still desired by the PNAC faction?
I would guess so. In which case, it is possible either that the US will stay in Iraq altogether, or maybe more likely enforce some Guantanamo-style colonisation whereby Iraq permanently and 'voluntarily' cedes the land and access for the bases to the US.

>> Are these realistic and wise aims?
Well, neither is a word much apparent in neocon thinking, so I wouldn't rely on these considerations to stop them.

Thoughts?