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To: Mannie who wrote (23595)6/22/2005 10:53:35 PM
From: American Spirit  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 361830
 
Klein book on Hillary turns out to be all BS.
Author admits "rape" and "lesbian" stories not true.

Klein backs off rape smear in Hannity interview meltdown

Asked by interviewer Sean Hannity "about whether or not Bill [Clinton] raped her [Hillary Clinton] and conceived Chelsea that way," author Edward Klein backed off the claim in two June 21 interviews -- and told two conflicting stories about his own sourcing for it in the process.

In an afternoon interview on Hannity's nationally syndicated radio show to promote his new attack book on Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY), The Truth About Hillary (Sentinel, June 2005), Klein said, "My source never said Bill raped Hillary." He added that the supposed "source" thought that Bill Clinton had made the comment, "I'm going to go back to my cottage and rape my wife," as a "joke" and in "jest." But in a later TV interview with Hannity on Fox News' Hannity & Colmes, Klein backed off the story entirely, saying, "Nor do I suggest for a second that he [sic] was raped."

Within the course of a few minutes in the radio interview, Klein flip-flopped on how many sources he had for the story. In his book, Klein sources the story only to "an anonymous source who was with the Clintons in Bermuda." Klein's book cites no other sources to support the story.

When initially pressed by Hannity, Klein said he had only one source:

HANNITY: It's only one source.

KLEIN: It's one source who I checked out very carefully.

A few minutes later, however, Klein changed his mind, telling Hannity that he had more than one source on the story:

HANNITY: Is one anonymous source enough, then, to go to print with something like that?

KLEIN: Well, you know, I've been at this for 40-some-odd years, Sean. And I've dealt with anonymous sources all my life.

HANNITY: But one source? Were you able to corroborate the source?

KLEIN: Of course. I wouldn't go to print --

HANNITY: So, you had two sources?

KLEIN: I had -- sometimes I had several sources.

HANNITY: But in the case of this rape story --

KLEIN: Of course I did, yes.

But in the Hannity & Colmes interview, Klein returned to his original claim that he had only one source:

HANNITY: In the case of the story of how Chelsea was conceived, you had one source in the book.

KLEIN: Yes.

Asked by Hannity to justify the gay-baiting innuendo in his book, Klein once again contradicted himself. In the radio interview, Klein stated that he does not "accuse her of being a lesbian in this book":

KLEIN: First of all, let me make clear, I do not accuse her of being a lesbian in this book, as you know.

HANNITY: But it comes up on seven different occasions.

KLEIN: Right. It comes up because it is relevant to understanding the basis of her political point of view. It is a political question.

On Hannity and Colmes, however, Klein returned once again to rumor and innuendo, admitting that he was in fact questioning "her sexuality," and stating that Hillary Clinton has "given all kinds of signals that her sexuality is in question." But he failed to offer any evidence to back up the innuendo.

HANNITY: You question her sexuality, though, four times in the book, but she's a married woman with a child. I mean, do you not consider --

KLEIN: I'm not the first person who has questioned her sexuality.

HANNITY: I know. But without -- there's no evidence of any such thing. Is it fair? Do you consider her daughter in all of this? Should we consider her daughter?

KLEIN: The rumors of Hillary's sexuality started in Arkansas 30-some-odd years ago.

HANNITY: But is it fair? I don't want to defend Hillary, I have so many political disagreements. Shouldn't we keep it on the political?

KLEIN: Hillary was asked by Bill Clinton's campaign manager in 1974, "Hillary, please come out and deny these rumors. They're hurting Bill Clinton."

HANNITY: When did you stop beating your child?

KLEIN: And she said, "I'm not going to do it."

HANNITY: But why does she -- why should she have to? If she's a married woman with a child.

KLEIN: Because she's given all kinds of signals that her sexuality is in question.

Media Matters for America has uncovered numerous factual errors and distortions in Klein's book.



To: Mannie who wrote (23595)6/22/2005 11:02:04 PM
From: American Spirit  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 361830
 
It's understandable that after a loss, people kick the loser a bit and blame him, but let me tell you this, if Kerry ever got a second chance, he'd be a better candidate. Plus no smearvet campaignwill make a difference next time. If there is a next time. That was a one-use weapon made up of 100% lies.

Remember, Reagan and Nixon both lost before they won. Both became two termers, for better or worse. Losing can either finish a career or build character and make one wiser and stronger. The sports world and the world in genreal are filled with such comeback stories.

The fact is, Hillary is probably the wrong candidate, so then who? I am interested in Warner. But what if something's wrong with him? Then you have a choice between some combo of Kerry, Bide, Edwards, Clark, Richardson, Bayh and maybe Gore. Of those who's the best?

Remember, Kerry beat Bush in three debates and was tied with him before the smearvet campaign and Florida hurricanes.

55,000 voters in Ohio made the difference. If they had gone the other way -- and maybe those voters regret voting for Bush in 2004. The polls certainly point to that possibility. And in 2008, Jeb Bush will be gone and GW won't be running so Florida opens up. Colorado and New Mexico are winnable. But against who? Can McCain get the GOP nomination?

We'll see. Way too early to jump to any conclusions. But Obama is not ready yet. He and Harold Ford are both possibilities to be the first black (or partly black) president. But not yet.



To: Mannie who wrote (23595)6/22/2005 11:46:21 PM
From: stockman_scott  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 361830
 
THE 2008 RACE FOR THE WHITE HOUSE: THE CONTENDER
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By David Usborne

SOURCE: The Independent

May 25, 2005

It wasn't very long ago when most Americans had never heard the name Barack Obama, the newbie US senator from Illinois. Even now they get it wrong to his face. Senator Barama, Senator Alabama, Senator Banana. He always smiles and, in his characteristically muted tones, gently corrects them. But seven months after the voters of Illinois sent him to the United States Senate, where he now sits as its only black member and only the third since the Civil War, such malapropisms have become much more rare. Because Obama, a lanky man with distractingly long fingers and a narrow face that looks younger than his 43 years, is suddenly one of the brightest and most promising stars in the American political firmament. It really started at the Democrat's national convention in Boston last summer. The speech he delivered in praise of the party's presidential candidate, John Kerry, galvanised delegates and captivated reporters. "Political poetry," gushed one CNN commentator. One line rang in the hall the longest. It was the one about the hope "of a skinny kid with a funny name who believes that America has a place for him, too". Himself, in other words. If he had any doubt that such a place existed, it was surely eased a few months later. Kerry did not win the White House, but Obama's victory in Illinois was spectacular. After eight years of relative obscurity toiling in the state legislature, he defeated his Republican opponent in the Senate race by a landslide. With 70 per cent of the votes, he found himself singled out as just about the only good thing that happened to the Democrats in 2004. There is danger in this abrupt wunderkind status, however, and Obama, the son of a white woman from Kansas and a black Kenyan, well knows it. He jokes that he has suffered from greater over-exposure in the US media than socialite Paris Hilton. Most alarming of all are the whispers about Obama and the White House. Check the internet and you will see the fan sites, where "Obama for President, 2008" buttons and stickers are already flying from the virtual shelves. Obama himself is partly to blame, of course. There is an undeniable appeal in his mixed-race heritage, and he is working it. The tale of his upbringing is vividly described in a memoir, Dreams from My Father, which stubbornly remains on the best-seller lists even though Obama wrote it 10 years ago. The senator, moreover, has spent much of the past few months recording it on tape, describing in his own voice the early years of his life in Hawaii and, briefly, Indonesia and the pain of his father walking out when he was still a toddler. He saw him only once afterwards, when he was 10 years old. The audio-book version went on sale last week. Meanwhile, the senator has signed a contract to write not one but two sequels to it. Washington is littered with tales of over-ambitious new arrivals, their heads swollen by sudden celebrity. Al Gore, whose father was a senator before him, was one to commit that sin when he first represented Tennessee in 1984. He dived too quickly into the biggest issue of the day -superpower arms control -and made his first attempt to run for President when he was only 39 years old. He failed then as he did again many years later. So, when he is not pursuing literary royalties, Obama is keeping a determinedly low profile. His model is Hillary Clinton, who in her first years in the US Senate set the standard for how a famous newcomer should keep both feet on the ground and their head beneath the parapet. Only now, one year before she must face re-election, is she beginning to take a more national stage again. Ironically, if he were to seek the Democratic nomination in 2008, it would probably be against Clinton that Obama would be running. This means not flying first class, not accepting invitations to appear on the Sunday morning talk shows and steering clear of other states apart from Illinois. But, just as Clinton did after her 2000 election, visiting his own state is not only allowed, it is an absolute priority. Obama wants his voters at home to know that, far from following grand ambitions, he is spending his first term focusing on the issues that matter to them. Here on a recent Friday afternoon in a community centre in Aurora, the second largest metropolis in Illinois about an hour's drive west of Chicago, the phenomenon that is Barack Obama is on full display. It is one of a series of town hall-style meetings he has held across the state since being sworn into office in January. And he has many more planned, usually one each week. After the senator takes the stage, he does not engage in the kind of oratory delivered in Boston back in July, but it is easy to discern his appeal. Analyse his words and he is verging on policy nerdishness -one moment he is critically dissecting Bush's proposal to privatise social security and the next decrying the long-term effects on local communities of the tax cuts -but he has an easy and natural charisma about him. He has the right smile and right voice, sugary and smooth. He doesn't exactly fill the room the moment he walks in, but the atmospherics instantly change. There is a quick ripple of applause before he opens his mouth and excited citizens reach into their pockets for their digital cameras. And very quickly you see he understands the pitfalls of his prominence. "Each and every day, I will wake up thinking of the people of Aurora, thinking of the people of Keane County and thinking about the people all through the state of Illinois," he vows. And, as on almost every other public occasion, he underlines his junior rank in the Senate, with required whimsy. "Let's face it," the story begins, "I am 99th in seniority out of 100 senators." Only Ken Salazar, a novice Democrat senator from Colorado, is ranked beneath him. "When I arrived, they handed me some pencils to sharpen and gave me a broom to start sweeping the floors. And I'm in the minority party. The Republicans control the House, the Senate and the White House and the President is going to be driving the agenda for the next two years at least." In other words, I will do my best but don't expect too much. Indeed, in Washington, his record so far is of exemplary attendance at committee meetings, whether they are dealing with matters mundane -clawing more dollars for Illinois from a transportation budget bill -or more dramatic, like determining the fate of the Bush nominee for the UN ambassadorship, John Bolton. Obama was one of the Democrats to vote no. But even the mostly hum-drum world of politicking on Capitol Hill offers glimpses of his political pulling power. When Obama earlier this month issued a letter to grass-roots Democrats asking for backing for the re-election effort of the West Virginia veteran senator, Robert Byrd, donations to Byrd's war chest surged by more than $1 million in the following 48 hours. And here in Aurora, all of his protests of humility are to no avail. The first member of the mostly white audience to get the microphone is a teacher. "It's such an honour to meet you," she says, before proceeding with her question about school funding, "and I truly believe you will be our President one day." The room breaks out into fresh applause and Obama smiles graciously. "Well, I don't know about that," he responds, before going on, "But, for now, I'm definitely your senator." It is an answer, nonetheless, that gets some local journalists quivering. "Did you hear that? He said 'for now'. He does want to be President." Next, the young son of local state senator is given the floor and asks the kind of question you would normally hear only at a presidential debate. What kind of America would he like his daughters -he and his wife of 10 years, Michelle, who works for University of Chicago Hospital, have two girls, Malia Ann and Natasha -to inherit when they grow up? And Obama gives the practised but nebulous answer of a White House candidate, extolling the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and the ethnic diversity of the country. The pressure on Obama might not be so great were it not for the near-panic felt by his party after the election let-down of November. Democrats can't help but to gather around anyone who might bring back some of the damaged lustre, even if it is someone as inexperienced on the national level as Obama. But he intends to resist that also. "I don't want to be fabricated into some great hope for the Democratic Party just because I am the flavour of the month now," he says in a brief interview at the close of the town-hall meeting. And he carefully rehearses his script about paying his dues to Illinois first. "After the people have seen my work, hopefully they will feel I can make a contribution to the party and to the country." Even that hardly has the echo of a politician slamming the door, however. And it is tempting to imagine an Obama candidacy for commander in chief, if not next time then in the years beyond. You can see the sentimental biographical video at the nominating convention -already scripted by his book -telling the story of his absent father and struggling mother. Of how Barack, which means "blessed" in Swahili, excelled in school but stumbled into drinking and drug use as a teen before pulling himself back. And how he graduated with a political science degree at Columbia University before going later to Harvard Law School where he became the first black to be president of the Harvard Law Review. It is an American story of hardships overcome and racial barriers broken to make any campaign manager drool. When finally Obama tries to leave the hall, he finds himself ambushed by supporters asking for a photograph or his autograph on the book. The scrum lasts about 15 minutes -a smile always on his face -before aides finally steer him out a side door. But, in spite of all the political instincts that tell him otherwise, Obama might be advised to enjoy some of this attention while he has it. This is not to predict that he will necessarily stumble in Washington. But history argues that he may already have reached his political zenith. After all, since the early Sixties, roughly one black candidate either for state governorships or for the US Senate has actually won in every decade. The path to the White House for an African-American, whether it would be Obama or anyone else, for now, at least, remains dauntingly steep. Still, there are many Democrats who are daring to hope that he will make it and that the place that this man is dreaming of is a white building with imposing columns on Washington's Pennsylvania Avenue.