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To: Bill who wrote (106475)6/23/2005 7:54:31 PM
From: The Philosopher  Respond to of 108807
 
Wait until they start taking over church property to give to developers. There is some PRIME real estate that is tax exempt that could produce major tax revenues. I think, for example, of St. Patrick's Cathedral in NYC.

Wouln't you love it if Bloomberg proposed condemning that for an office/retail/residential tower? What fun we would all have!



To: Bill who wrote (106475)6/26/2005 12:50:10 AM
From: Grainne  Respond to of 108807
 
I think a lot of "lefties" are appalled by the Supreme Court ruling. Its result will probably be the total destruction of blighted inner city neighborhoods so that upscale housing and a lot of Starbucks can be built, increasing tax revenues hugely. Most "lefties" don't believe that poor people should have their housing demolished--that is more of a right-wing thing, actually. In Oregon land has become so valuable recently that trailer park owners whose tenants are mostly retired people on fixed incomes are selling for seven, eight, or nine million dollars! The elderly tenants have nowhere at all to go, and are worried sick. There is something very wrong with all of this. It seems like America is reverting to a few rich people and a lot of poor people. That is definitely not a "leftie" wish, though.



To: Bill who wrote (106475)6/26/2005 12:50:55 AM
From: Grainne  Respond to of 108807
 
Now here is a different, probably more reality-based view of the conflict in Iraq for you to mull over:

Witnesses at anti-war tribunal slam US actions in Iraq Sat Jun 25, 2:54 PM ET

ISTANBUL (AFP) - The World Tribunal on Iraq (WTI), an anti-war grouping of non-governmental organisations (NGOs), intellectuals and writers, heard witnesses condemn the United States for rights abuses and the worsening plight of Iraqi women.

A former US Air Force pilot called on US troops in Iraq to "resist" the orders of their superior officers in an "illegal war".

"Today Iraq has been turned into a vast prison," lawyer Amal Sawadi told the hearing.

"They come to people's houses in the middle of the night, when everyone is asleep, blow in the door. They point their weapons in people's faces ... they search women in front of their families, they smash everything in the house."

She said lawyers had problems getting news of their imprisoned clients and spoke of rapes and humiliations which amounted to the "systematic practice of torture."

The only journalist present in the city of Fallujah when it was attacked in April and November 2004 said the assault on it amounted to "genocide".

Fadhil Al Bedrani, of the Al-Jazeera network, told how a 70-year-old man died for lack of medical supplies and of the stench of rotting bodies "abandoned in the streets and eaten by animals."

The plight of Iraqi women has worsened badly since the occupation, Hana Ibrahim, an Iraqi feminist said.

"From the day the occupation started there have been systematic violations of women's rights. They have been kidnapped, raped and even taken to other countries by criminal networks," she said.

She said 90 percent of women were out of work, women were now "almost non-existent in social life" while "prostitution was developing" and more and more women were reduced to begging.

Former pilot Tim Goodrich said US troops should realize they were taking part in an illegal war and resist.

"There are some people that have, there are pieces of resistance that people don't know about... some soldiers who refuse to go on a mission," he said.

"The military is part of the problem, not of the solution."

"Some people accuse us of being against the troops or antipatriotic but we are the troops. How can I be antipatriotic by asking our soldiers to come back home alive?"

About 200 non-governmental organziations -- including the environmentalist group Greenpeace, the anti-globalisation ATTAC and Vietnam Veterans Against the War -- as well as a number of prominent intellectuals such as US linguist Noam Chomsky and Egyptian sociologist Samir Amin are involved in the WTI.

news.yahoo.com



To: Bill who wrote (106475)6/26/2005 12:55:57 AM
From: Grainne  Respond to of 108807
 
Gee, Bill, there are just so many articles I've been reading tonight that make me think of you. Here is another one. For those of you who don't enjoy reading long articles, I will bring a quote from it by a REPUBLICAN senator up here to the top, because it really summarizes the whole thing:

Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb., suggested the White House was "completely disconnected from reality" in claiming the war was being won.

Newsview: Bush losing support for Iraq war

TOM RAUM

Associated Press

WASHINGTON - President Bush is casting about for ways to turn the tide of public opinion on Iraq. He is running into a growing level of skepticism, new strains in Republican unity and more frequent comparisons to the Vietnam conflict of almost four decades ago.

A new stepped-up public relations effort has yet to show results. The next event is a prime-time speech on Tuesday at Fort Bragg, N.C., with U.S. troops as his backdrop.

Bush administration officials see the speech as a chance for the president to clearly spell out his goals - and the stakes - of a continued U.S. military presence in Iraq. But analysts suggest it will take more than a finely honed speech to revive flagging public support or to reverse an alarming slide in military recruitment.

"I don't think anybody will be able to watch that speech without wondering where is the banner saying `Mission Accomplished,'" said Anthony H. Cordesman, an Iraq expert and former Pentagon intelligence official.

A banner hung on the aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln, where Bush, wearing a flight suit, proclaimed an end to major combat in Iraq in May 2003.

Rather than using those in the military as a prop, Bush should "sit down, present a substantive picture of what we are going to do in Iraq, and then have that backed up in detail by members of the Cabinet and by the senior military. Otherwise, the most you can do is to persuade the already converted," said Cordesman, a defense analyst with the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

At a White House meeting on Friday with Iraq's interim prime minister, Bush said he would not lay out a U.S. withdrawal strategy or bow to pressure from war critics. "I'm not giving up on the mission," Bush said.

The president also used his weekend radio address for the second week in a row to try to rally support. "Our nation's mission in Iraq is difficult, and we can expect more tough fighting in the weeks and months ahead. Yet I am confident in the outcome," he said.

Zbigniew Brzezinski, national security adviser in the Carter administration, responded for the Democrats by saying, "We deserve a realistic definition of success for a war that increasingly threatens to become a quagmire." He contended that for the first time in U.S. history, "America is conducting a war without any effort at bipartisan consultation on our tactics, on our strategy, and on our goals."

Some 53 percent of people surveyed say the United States made a mistake going to war in Iraq in March 2003, according to an AP-Ipsos poll released Friday. That is the highest number in AP-Ipsos polling who have said the war was a mistake.

Soon after Iraq's president, Saddam Hussein, was captured in December 2003, almost two-thirds of those questioned said the U.S. made the right decision in waging war. Public support has dropped since then, occasionally spiking after positive news such as January's elections in Iraq.

The poll numbers are approaching the levels of public discontent registered in the final years of the Vietnam War. The administration says Iraq has not become a Vietnam-like quagmire - but that word is being used more frequently to describe the political situation facing Bush.

Pollster Andrew Kohut, director of the Pew Research Center, suggested that comparisons with Vietnam might be a little off the mark. Some 55,000 Americans died in Vietnam, while 1,700 have been killed in Iraq.

"The important thing here is opinions are headed south on this because the public is reacting very negatively to this ongoing casualty count. The public is very aware of how many people have been lost," Kohut said.

"We see a growing number of people who say you have to get our troops out of there," Kohut said. But, unlike Vietnam, "the bottom hasn't fallen out on support for the war yet."

That may be of little comfort to Bush.

In recent days, Democrats have stepped up their criticism. Volleys also have come from Republicans who are troubled by what they see as the administration's failure to give an honest assessment of the situation in Iraq.

The unity on the war that Republicans exhibited during last year's election campaign is showing cracks. Nobody in the party wanted to weaken Bush before the election. But with the 2006 midterm congressional elections approaching, members are thinking about their own status as they field increasing complaints on Iraq from constituents.

A withdrawal resolution was introduced in the House with the support of conservative Rep. Walter Jones, R-N.C., previously a strong war supporter. Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina told a Senate hearing that public opinion in his military-oriented and conservative state was turning against the war and it could become "a chronic problem" for the administration.

Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb., suggested the White House was "completely disconnected from reality" in claiming the war was being won.

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EDITOR'S NOTE - Tom Raum has covered Washington for The Associated Press since 1973, including five presidencies.

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