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To: Oeconomicus who wrote (220)	6/24/2005 2:17:13 PM
From: longnshort	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 326

You have your stalking shoes on today?

To: Oeconomicus who wrote (220)	6/24/2005 3:15:04 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 326

Not to worry. LnS has assured me on several occasions that his mission is one of humor and that I just haven’t gotten it yet. I am sure he has a punch line out there some place, he just hasn't delivered it yet. Here are some facts relevant to his current spam: The Suras of the Quran are not assembled in a chronological order however the internal contents of Suras are not jumbled up as the article claims. The oral tradition of that time was developed beyond anything I can imagine today. It was a common practice to have a young man stand in the presence of his elders and provide oration on some topic for thirty minutes or so without pause. It was a test of his maturity to see if he could perform this task without a single grammatical flaw. Mohammad himself was reportedly illiterate. That must have been common among his followers because he would often offer freedom to anyone captured in warfare if they would teach a Muslim to read. Education became a very highly valued entity. When he would receive some piece of the Quran, there were scribes available who would write it down as he recited it for them. Muslims were expected to memorize the Qur’an and be able to recite it perfectly. Even today this practice continues. It isn’t good enough to be able to simply recite a verse, there are correct methods of articulating each phoneme of each word. The Qur’an was not in the common language that Mohammad spoke but in a form that was exceptional. The Hadith (sayings of Mohammad) are in a completely different form of language than the Qur’an. When strangers here the Qur’an it sounds to them as if the Muslims are singing about something. The regular language of Mohammad sounds like a regular Arabic speaker. The language and context of the Quran is so perfect linguistically that it is mentioned in the Quran itself that if anyone or a group of forty language scholars, scientists, or historians could produce even one small verse that is equal, it would prove that the Quran is a false document. Western Linguists as well as Arab linguists have long agreed that the language of the Quran is unmatched in its quality. Another test of the Quran that is embedded in the Quran is a test of its integrity. It is stated that the Quran will be the only book that will resist addition, deletion, or corruption until the end of time. In other words it is the only book that remains exactly as it was delivered. There are libraries of scholarly material describing the exact circumstances and location in which each piece of the Quran was delivered. The Hadith (Sayings and life of Mohammad) are somewhat less contained. Scholars went near and far to document information about Mohammad’s life. There are two kinds of Hadith. Weak Hadith and Strong Hadith. Weak does not mean it is less important. Weak means that there was only a little corroboration on the item. Like if his best friend and his wife testified about a particular Hadith it would be viewed as weak because multitudes did not confirm it. Hadith has to be authenticated by reliable sources, so the sources themselves not just the story would have to be checked out. There is one story about a scholar who traveled for months to find a man who claimed to have known Mohammed. The scholar finally found him and as he approached he noticed that the man was shaking a pan of gravel. The scholar asked why he was doing that and the man reported that his donkey would think it was grain and come in from the field. The scholar turned and left without taking the man’s information about the prophet. Guess why? ”It was out of order, jumbled together, contradictory, and inaccurate. Yet there is no proof that even this best-case scenario is reliable. There is no corroborating evidence that the “revelations” actually became a book under Bakr, Umar, or Zaid. There are no fragments or tablets. All we have is a flimsy oral tradition suggesting that this best-case scenario occurred. “ Sorry LnS but you botched that one. Having said that, I freely admit that the Quran is at best here say from my point of view; since, I haven’t had any personal mystical experiences that would qualify it otherwise for me. It is, however, a fine book when approached without geopolitically corrupt intrusion.