To: The Philosopher who wrote (106561 ) 6/28/2005 11:44:37 PM From: Grainne Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 108807 It is essential that humans relieve themselves in some fashion. Thank goodness most major cities have, or are developing, good sewage treatment plants to deal with all that waste. Cities themselves are not inherently bad; it is just that humans congregate in them. Urban humans do not contribute any more waste on a per capita basis than rural folk do. No one on earth needs to eat meat. It is not only unessential for human health, but causes disease. And factory farming destroys our karma, as well. Were you here when we were discussing how it takes 50,000 gallons of water to produce one pound of beef? Here are some especially nice quotations about animals in our lives, speaking of karma: The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated. -- Mohandas Gandhi When a human being kills an animal for food, he is neglecting his own hunger for justice. Man prays for mercy, but is unwilling to extend it to others. Why then should man expect mercy from God? It is unfair to expect something that you are not willing to give. -- Isaac B. Singer In fact, if one person is unkind to an animal it is considered to be cruelty, but where a lot of people are unkind to animals, especially in the name of commerce, the cruelty is condoned and, once large sums of money are at stake, will be defended to the last by otherwise intelligent people. -- Ruth Harrison, author of Animal Machines I don`t hold animals superior or even equal to humans. The whole case for behaving decently to animals rests on the fact that we are the superior species. We are the species uniquely capable of imagination, rationality, and moral choice - and that is precisely why we are under an obligation to recognize and respect the rights of animals. -- Brigid Brophy The thinking person must oppose all cruel customs no matter how deeply rooted in tradition and surrounded by a halo. When we have a choice, we must avoid bringing torment and injury into the life of another. -- Albert Schweitzer Will we rise to the challenge and prove our capacity for genuine altruism by ending our ruthless exploitation of the species in our power? -- Peter Singer, Ph.D. Ever occur to you why some of us can be this much concerned with animals' suffering? Because government is not. Why not? Animals don't vote. -- Paul Harvey The fate of animals is of greater importance to me than the fear of appearing ridiculous; it is indissolubly connected with the fate of men. -- Emile Zola A man is truly ethical only when he obeys the compulsion to help all life which he is able to assist and shrinks from injuring anything that lives. -- Albert Schweitzer The worst sin towards or fellow creatures is not to hate them, but to be indifferent to them. That's the essence of inhumanity. -- George Bernard Shaw The day may come when the rest of the animal creation may acquire those rights which never could have been withholden from them but by the hand of tyranny. -- Jeremy Bentham How narrow we selfish, conceited creatures are in our sympathies! How blind to the rights of all the rest of creation! -- John Muir Men who have practiced tortures on animals without pity, relating them without shame. How can they still hold their heads high among human beings? -- Samuel Johnson No truth appears to me more evident than that beasts are endowed with thought and reason as well as men. The arguments are in this case so obvious, that they never escape the most stupid and ignorant. -- David Hume To my mind, the life of a lamb is no less precious than that of a human being. I should be unwilling to take the life of a lamb for the sake of the human body. -- Mahatma Gandhi