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Politics : GOPwinger Lies/Distortions/Omissions/Perversions of Truth -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: American Spirit who wrote (51183)	6/27/2005 8:58:44 PM
From: jlallen	Respond to of 173976

LOL!! Shaddup, dipstick....you are too dumb to be taken seriously...

To: American Spirit who wrote (51183)	6/27/2005 9:09:20 PM
From: bentway	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 173976

...The more zealous Substance Camp, led by House Majority Whip Tom DeLay, R-Texas, is using the Watergate analogy to suggest not just that the Clinton impeachment process should mirror the Nixon impeachment process but also that Clinton's offenses are as serious as Nixon's. This camp hopes constant comparisons between Watergate and the Lewinsky cover-up will cause the former's gravity to rub off on the latter. If Clinton has done "what Nixon did," DeLay argued on ABC last weekend, "that is impeachable." Democrats can't persuasively rebut the process analogy. (In 1974, for example, Conyers opposed a preordained time limit on the Watergate probe. How can Conyers now demand such a limit on the Lewinsky probe?) So instead, they're conflating it with the substance analogy. Wednesday, when asked about the Watergate inquiry rules, Conyers replied, "The notion that this investigation should be open-ended like Watergate ... is preposterous," because "Watergate involved a wholesale corruption of government which extended through the FBI, the CIA and other federal agencies. This matter involves the concealing of a private affair." Likewise, White House Press Secretary Mike McCurry argued, "The facts of Watergate and the Monica Lewinsky matter are entirely different, and I think most Americans would readily and quickly agree to that, which is why I went through a little reminder about the enormity of the crimes committed during the period of Watergate." According to the New York Times, McCurry arrived "armed for a question about comparisons to Watergate. He got it, and almost ran out of breath as he rattled off a lengthy list of the accusations against Nixon, including that he 'misused the FBI, [and] the Secret Service, to conduct unlawful wiretapping of American citizens [and] maintained a secret unit in the White House to violate the constitutional rights of citizens.' After pausing slightly for air, McCurry added indignantly, 'So there's no parallel whatsoever.' " Once the process analogy is transformed into the substance analogy, it loses its force. Yes, substantive analogies can be drawn between Nixon's offenses and Clinton's, e.g., between the Enemies List and the FBI files or between the Plumbers and the Bimbo Eruption Team. But the differences are more striking. In the Lewinsky case--the only case presently before Congress--the president's objective was sex, not power. The underlying sins were more personal than political. And the secret tapes and wires were arranged not by the president but by his enemies and investigators. The irony is that it would have been so much easier to deem Clinton's offenses impeachable on their own terms. He has plainly lied under oath, for example. If Congress determines that this constituted perjury (which is somewhat more technical), then Clinton has committed a felony. Republicans could simply argue that no felon should be allowed to remain president. Instead, they're holding Clinton to the impossibly high standard of corruption set by Nixon. If, as "Henry Hyde recently pledged to do," the House "applies the standard that emerged in 1974, it will decide that the charges against Clinton do not fall under the articles of impeachment," argued two Watergate-era Democratic congressmen in a Times op-ed Thursday. They're right: Clinton's offenses aren't what the Watergate committee meant by an impeachable offense. But that comparison isn't what Hyde meant by the Watergate rules, either.