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To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (687871)6/28/2005 10:19:06 AM
From: JBTFD  Respond to of 769670
 
You got me.



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (687871)6/28/2005 10:20:23 AM
From: DizzyG  Respond to of 769670
 
What about our presence in the Balkans?

Apparently you and the rest of the DNC have forgotten about Clinton's quagmire in the Balkans. How convenient.

Diz-



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (687871)6/28/2005 10:35:00 AM
From: Hope Praytochange  Respond to of 769670
 
kennyboy skips dinner tonite ? eat your word on the gulag, prisoner mistreatments ?
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To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (687871)6/28/2005 10:44:08 AM
From: Hope Praytochange  Respond to of 769670
 
The Rove Kerfuffle
BY JAMES TARANTO
Monday, June 27, 2005 3:43 p.m.

Democrats have met the enemy, and it is Karl Rove. After standing behind Dick Durbin's comparison of American troops to Nazis, Washington Dems are in a lather about the White House deputy chief of staff's comments at a dinner last week. Here's what Rove said (ellipses in original):

Conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 and the attacks and prepared for war; liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers. In the wake of 9/11, conservatives believed it was time to unleash the might and power of the United States military against the Taliban; in the wake of 9/11, liberals believed it was time to . . . submit a petition. I am not joking. Submitting a petition is precisely what Moveon.org did. It was a petition imploring the powers that be" to "use moderation and restraint in responding to the . . . terrorist attacks against the United States."

I don't know about you, but moderation and restraint is not what I felt as I watched the Twin Towers crumble to the earth; a side of the Pentagon destroyed; and almost 3,000 of our fellow citizens perish in flames and rubble.

Moderation and restraint is not what I felt--and moderation and restraint is not what was called for. It was a moment to summon our national will--and to brandish steel.

MoveOn.org, Michael Moore and Howard Dean may not have agreed with this, but the American people did. Conservatives saw what happened to us on 9/11 and said: We will defeat our enemies. Liberals saw what happened to us and said: We must understand our enemies.

Rove's detractors offer two chief criticisms. The first is that Rove is overgeneralizing--that there are some liberals who are serious about the war. There is, for example, Sen. Joe Lieberman. Another example would be, um--hmmm . . . oh, did we mention Joe Lieberman? You see what we mean: This is a quibble.

The second criticism is that Rove is lumping together mainstream liberals with far-left nut-jobs like MoveOn.org, which did indeed start a petition, and Michael Moore, whose response on Sept. 12, 2001, was to lament that al Qaeda had attacked Democratic states instead of Republican ones.

Not for nothing did Andrew Sullivan famously warn on Sept. 16 that "the decadent Left in its enclaves on the coasts . . . may well mount what amounts to a fifth column." Yet elected Democrats by and large did not respond this way in the weeks after 9/11, as John Kerry recalled in an e-mail to supporters the other day:

That, of course, is what is most outrageous about Karl Rove's claim that President Bush's political opponents offered "therapy and understanding for our attackers." It isn't true. In the days after 9/11, there were no Democrats, no Republicans. We were all Americans, standing together. President Bush acknowledged that unity in a clear and compelling way at the time.

"One of the overlooked aspects of the war we are now fighting is the awakening it has spawned on the left," Sullivan wrote in The Wall Street Journal on Oct. 4, 2001:

In one atrocity, Osama bin Laden may have accomplished what a generation of conservative writers have failed to do: convince mainstream liberals of the illogic and nihilism of the powerful postmodern left. For the first time in a very long while, many liberals are reassessing--quietly for the most part--their alliance with the anti-American, anticapitalist forces they have long appeased, ignored or supported.

But the mainstream liberals proved far from steadfast, as Sullivan noted in a blog entry on March 13, 2002 (ellipsis in original):

THE ANTI-WAR DEMOCRATS: They're not exactly shouting from the rooftops. But they sure have their wetted fingers hoisted in the air. Janet Reno says in Florida that "I have trouble with a war that has no endgame and I have trouble with a war that generates so many concerns about individual liberties." Notice she doesn't say that the war has violated individual liberties, or that she believes that, but merely that there are "so many concerns" about it. Has there been any war in which such concerns have not been raised?

The Richmond Times-Dispatch also reports that "the former U.S. attorney general said she thinks the government would be hard-pressed to find a legal basis to prosecute many of the Taliban and al-Qaida prisoners being detained at Guantanamo Bay." Oh, let them go, then. Back to Sandy Berger and letting bin Laden escape from Sudan to Afghanistan. Do these people ever learn?

And then there's Senator John Kerry. As a Vietnam vet, he'll be the front man for those Democrats desperate to dispel the war atmosphere that could realign American politics away from dovish liberals for decades. Senator Hillary Clinton spelled out the formula in Boston at a Kerry fund-raiser: "John's leadership is critical to where we plan to go in this world. We need people of the stature and the experience of John Kerry . . . asking the hard questions. We are having the debate Congress is required to have--where to go, what to do."

Like most things Senator Clinton says, this is unobjectionable on its face. But its intent is clear. Some Democrats are simply uncomfortable about America having a strong and unapologetic role in the world. This isn't treason; it's weakness. And weakness in the dangerous world we face is an invitation for more terror. Be warned.

This is more or less the same as what Rove said last week--and Sullivan's observations came barely six months after 9/11, before the Democrats did these among many other things:

Made MoveOn.org a center of their grass-roots political effort and a frequent speaking venue for former and current Democratic officials, including Al Gore, Robert Byrd and Harry Reid.

Embraced Michael Moore, giving him an honored seat at the party convention in Boston last July. When Moore's film "Fahrenheit 9/11"--surely the crassest effort to politicize the attacks--had its Washington premiere, many Democrats showed up, including the party's then-chairman, Terry McAuliffe, and its then-Senate leader, Tom Daschle. "There might be half of the Democratic Senate here," then-senator Bob Graham of Florida observed.

Nominated for president a man who opportunistically opposed the liberation of Iraq after having voted for it (or opportunistically voted for it before opposing it, or both), and who cast a protest vote against funding the troops in both Afghanistan and Iraq.

Made a whole host of statements that reflect precisely the attitude Rove imputes to them--from Sen. Patty Murray's description of Osama bin Laden as a philanthropist who builds, among other things, "day care centers" to Sen. Dick Durbin's Nazi calumny. GayPatriot has a list.
It seems clear that the rupture between the "decadent left" and the mainstream of the Democratic Party was short-lived, and that the latter has largely made its peace with the former, whether out of conviction or out of base-assuaging political necessity. In any case, if Democrats and liberals don't like being portrayed as weak, let them show some strength. Whining about Rove's remarks is not an auspicious start.



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (687871)6/28/2005 10:44:52 AM
From: Hope Praytochange  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769670
 
What Do You Mean 'We,' Mon Ami?
The New York Times' Thomas Friedman had a curious column the other day (ellipses in original)

Lordy, it is fun poking fun at France. But wait . . . wait . . . what is that noise I hear coming from the U.S. Congress? Is that . . . is that members of the U.S. Congress--many of them Democrats--threatening to reject Cafta, the Central American Free Trade Agreement? Is that members of the U.S. Congress afraid to endorse a free-trade agreement, signed over a year ago, with El Salvador, Costa Rica, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua and the Dominican Republic? Mon Dieu! I am afraid it is. And for many of the same reasons France has resisted more integration: a protectionist fear of competition in a world without walls.

Yes, we are all Frenchmen now.

Shouldn't that read, "Democrats are all Frenchmen now?"



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (687871)6/28/2005 11:09:26 AM
From: Hope Praytochange  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769670
 
kennyboy still whining about skipping diner because can NOT have/make enough money to pay properties TAXES and oil/gasoline is sky high:
Consumer Confidence Rises to Three-Year high
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Filed at 10:44 a.m. ET

NEW YORK (AP) -- Consumers' confidence in the economy gained momentum in June, rising to a higher-than-expected level for the second month in a row. The advance reported by The Conference Board put consumer confidence at a three-year high.

The business research group said its Consumer Confidence Index rose to 105.8 this month from a revised 103.1 in May, better than the 104.0 analysts expected. June's reading was the highest since June 2002, when the index stood at 106.3.

In May, the index shot up more than five points after dropping in April.

''The improvement in consumer's mood suggests that business activity and labor market activity will continue to pick up over the next several months,'' said Lynn Franco, director of The Conference Board's Consumer Research Center. ''And, with consumers in better spirits, and job concerns remaining relatively steady, there is little reason to expect a dramatic shift in consumers' spending.''

Economists and Wall Street closely track consumer confidence because consumer spending accounts for two-thirds of all U.S. economic activity. The Dow Jones industrials gained as much as 79.80, rising to 10,370.58 soon after the release of the report.

One component of the consumer confidence report, which looks at consumers' view of the current economic situation, rose to 120.7 from 117.8. Another component, the Expectations Index, which measures consumers' outlook over the next six months, rose to 95.8, from 93.4.

The Conference Board's gauges are derived from responses received through June 21 to a survey mailed to 5,000 househoods in a consumer research panel. The figures released Tuesday include responses from at least 2,500 households.

The number of respondents describing business conditions as ''bad'' edged down to 15.5 percent in June from 16.4 percent. The number of consumers calling conditions ''good'' was virtually unchanged at 26.9 percent.

Consumers' feelings about employment also showed signs of improvement. The number of consumers saying jobs are ''hard to get'' fell to 22.6 percent from 24.1 percent, but those calling jobs ''plentiful'' was virtually unchanged at 22.6 percent. For the first time in nearly three years, the percentage of consumers noting that jobs are ''hard to get'' did not exceed the percentage saying jobs are ''plentiful.''

The number of those expecting business conditions to worsen eased to 9.0 percent from 9.5 percent. The number of consumers expecting business conditions to improve was virtually unchanged at 19.2 percent.

The outlook for the labor market, however, was unchanged from May. The number of respondents anticipating more jobs would become available in the coming months remained at 15.2 percent, while the number of those expecting fewer jobs edged up to 16.5 percent. The number of consumers expecting their incomes to increase in the months ahead jumped to 19.4 percent from 17.8 percent last month.