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To: Raymond Duray who wrote (65641)	6/29/2005 1:26:51 AM
From: shades	Respond to of 74559

Al Capone's brother was also successful - one of the better police officers of his day no? And a body gaurd for the president!! I thought it a joke when I first heard it! crimelibrary.com It seems unbelievable that the two brothers, Richard Hart and Al Capone, could have lived such remarkably different lives on opposite sides of the law. Yet when you look at the qualities that made each of the two brothers successful in their own milieu, fraternal similarities are visible: intelligence, initiative, risk taking, strength of will and purpose, persistence and conviction, and the ability to lead and persuade others. Strangely enough, it was the law of the land, Prohibition, that brought to the forefront these qualities in each brother. But as the article shows - niether was a SELF MADE man - it took extraordinary times and PROHIBTION to make al capone and his brother 2 gun Hart. Phil had a clip of al capone the other day. pbs.org Mobster Al Capone was not a cautious man. From his Chicago headquarters, he condemned the wild speculation on Wall Street. "It's a racket," he said, "Those stock market guys are crooked." Capone invested his money in a $100-million bootleg liquor business. Mquirce won't like this one: You can get a lot farther with a kind word and a gun than a kind word alone. Al Capone

To: Raymond Duray who wrote (65641)	6/29/2005 2:27:34 AM
From: energyplay	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

I don't know enough about Al, many crime figures are mentored in and then "take over" ....Not too many home study courses for crime. What's interesting to me about my list is how short it is - almost every other succesfully American figure in politics and high tech had one or several of - 1) an upper middle class upbringing, usually with private schools or very good public schools 2) Some amount of inherited money, maybe 90,000 instead of half a million, but still a leg up. 3) Personal mentoring, instruction, and/or introductions. 4) Belonging to a group which well connected in their field, usually by being born into it, or going to the right high school / prep school / church etc. 5) A successful relative who could be supportive, or let you sleep on the couch (more likely stay in the guest house) to keep costs down 6) A spouse with connections, drive and smarts - maybe someone who could make $100,000 on a single commodity trade. The Beatles came from a working class background, Mick Jagger and Keith Richards were at least middle class. Bruce Springsteen had a period where he was funded by venture capitalists - some of the same ones who financed Rolling Stone Magazine. I don't think his parents were especially poor. I think about 80% of self made success stories leave out a whole bunch of details - like where did the inital funding come from, how did you support yourself the first two years, why did the big customers buy your product and not your competitiors, etc. So I am acutually questioning the idea of social mobility, certainly in the US. There's a comment about GWB using a baseball analogy I like : "He was born on third base and thinks he made a triple" I think today most successful people were born on first base at least.