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Politics : Don't Blame Me, I Voted For Kerry -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (63868)	6/30/2005 6:37:32 AM
From: lorne	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 81568

chinu. You said...."What is it lorne. Bush sometimes tells us that Saddam was killing his own people and hence he sent US troops marching in to remove him. Then he also tells the nation that Saddam had to be removed because he was connected to terrorism which brought down the towers.".... All that and more...you forget about WMD? :-) IMO as long as islam is being confronted in their yard and not ours ....that's good.

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (63868)	6/30/2005 7:09:18 AM
From: lorne	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 81568

chinu. is this the emeny at play... are these the so called moberate moslums like the ones that rioted cuz they thought someone flushed a koran? Muslim mobs burn Christian homes Attacks sparked by man inadvertently burning Quranic verses June 30, 2005 Sources in Pakistan report a radical Muslim mob has attacked Christian homes in three areas near Peshawar, Pakistan. According to Voice of the Martyrs, which aids persecuted Christians around the world, the Tuesday attacks came after a Christian man was accused earlier that day of burning pages with Quranic verses written on them. VOM sources say the man, Yousaf Masih, a man in his 60s, has worked for almost two decades as a sweeper for the Pakistani military. His most recent assignment was cleaning in the home of a military officer, a major. Tuesday, he was asked to clean the office at the major's home. During the cleaning, he came across a bag of papers, and the major told Masih to take the papers outside and burn them. According to the report, Masih is illiterate and would not have known what was written on the papers. Other workers saw the papers and said Masih was burning pages from the Quran. After hearing the workers' accusations, Masih rushed to his home in the Lama Veera area of Nowshera, east of Peshawar, VOM's sources said. At 3 p.m. Tuesday, police came to the home and arrested Masih. Insulting Islam, the Prophet Muhammad or the Quran can be punishable by death under Pakistan's harsh anti-blasphemy laws. Following the arrest, a group of angry Muslims came to the home and began to beat Masih's three sons, the report indicated. Muslims returned to the area at about 10 p.m. that night and burned an estimated total of 200 houses in Lama Veera, CMH and Saran. Many houses were looted by the attackers, who stole TVs, refrigerators and other items. The mob beat Masih's sons and his brother, Yaqoob. VOM reported authorities have arrested 16 people involved in the attacks. A Hindu temple was also attacked, indicating the mob apparently first believed Masih was a Hindu. Voice of the Martyrs workers are en route to the area and will evaluate the immediate needs of the Christians there who have lost their homes. Reportedly, local Christians are currently in fear of further attacks. worldnetdaily.com

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (63868)	6/30/2005 2:48:53 PM
From: American Spirit	Respond to of 81568

Bush's Forgotten Enemy #1- Remember Osama? Bush doesn't. Much has been made this week -- and rightfully so -- of the president's repeated references to 9/11 during his speech on Iraq Tuesday night. Less has been said about his invocation of Osama bin Laden's name, and we think it's time to rectify that. Time was, George W. Bush didn't mention bin Laden much. In March 2002 -- just six months after saying he wanted bin Laden "dead or alive" -- the president said that he didn't know where bin Laden was and that he didn't really care. "You know, I just don't spend that much time on him," the president said at a March 13, 2002, press conference. "I truly am not that concerned about him." It showed. By Dan Froomkin's calculations, Bush mentioned bin Laden's name in public just 10 times between the beginning of 2003 and August 2004 -- all but four of them coming in response to direct questions about the al Qaida leader. (By contrast, Bush uttered the name of Saddam Hussein about 300 times during that same period.) But by the time the presidential race rolled into the fall, bin Laden was back in heavy rotation -- even if the president sometimes got him mixed up with Saddam Hussein. "Of course we're after Saddam Hussein -- I mean bin Laden," the president said during his first debate with John Kerry. In that same debate, Kerry noted that bin Laden was using "the invasion of Iraq in order to go out to people and say that America has declared war on Islam." Bush took offense: "My opponent just said something amazing," Bush said. "He said Osama bin Laden uses the invasion of Iraq as an excuse to spread hatred for America. Osama bin Laden isn't going to determine how we defend ourselves. Osama bin Laden doesn't get to decide. The American people decide." Fast forward to the president's speech Tuesday night, and what do we have here? George W. Bush, justifying the war in Iraq by quoting Osama bin Laden. Addressing those who "wonder whether Iraq is a central front on the war on terror," Bush said: "Among the terrorists, there is no debate. Hear the words of Osama bin Laden: 'This Third World War is raging' in Iraq. 'The whole world is watching this war.' He says it will end in 'victory and glory, or misery and humiliation.'" And that's not all the president had to say about bin Laden. A few minutes after suggesting that bin Laden does, in fact, have something to say about how Americans defend themselves, the president said that "the only way our enemies can succeed is if we forget the lessons of September the 11th, if we abandon the Iraqi people to men like Zarqawi, and if we yield the future of the Middle East to men like Bin Laden. For the sake of our nation's security, this will not happen on my watch." The problem is, it sort of already did. Before the Iraq war began, the Bush administration had "several chances" to wipe out Zarqawi's terrorist operation "and perhaps kill Zarqawi himself," NBC News reported last March. Bush "never pulled the trigger. Why not? Because, NBC said, the administration feared that destroying a terrorist camp in Iraq would "undercut its case for war against Saddam." As for bin Laden, the story has been told often: The U.S. had a shot at capturing bin Laden in Tora Bora in late 2001, but he slipped away when Afghan warlords rather than American troops were given the job of sealing off escape routes. Bush said back in 2002 that he was "not that concerned" about bin Laden anymore because the U.S. had "shoved him out more and more on the margins" and because he "has no place to train his al Qaida killers anymore." That's not true anymore, of course. Even if Bush wants to treat victory in Afghanistan as a fait accompli -- and with 17 U.S. troops presumed dead there this week, it may be a little early for that -- his own CIA will tell him that, since the U.S. invasion in 2003, Iraq has taken on the role Afghanistan once played as a training ground for al Qaida and other Islamic extremists. So Zarqawi? Bin Laden? Yeah, we remember them. Thanks to the president's work so far, they're pretty hard to forget. -- Tim Grieve