To: American Spirit who wrote (688678 ) 6/30/2005 1:25:49 AM From: TimF Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769667 There us no excuse for not catching OBL after four years. I don't see how any excuse would be needed. We know he is alive and well. The evidence indicates that he probably is, particularly the alive part. Saying "we know", might be overstating the case. I'm sure the CIA knows where. Why are you sure? Even if one assumes that the CIA is superbly competent (and if they are why did 9/11 happen in the first place?), and you accept that GW Bush is the type of person who would order OBL not be captured for some minor political advantage (hardly a safe assumption). And you assume that such a secret policy in the middle of the open policy being a hunt for OBL could be both effective (despite the fact that many involved in the hunt would not know about it, and thus not follow it, otherwise it would not remain secret), and kept secret (no leaks getting out), even if you assume all of those unlikely things one on top of the other, it still doesn't provide any evidence, or argument, for the idea that the CIA actually knows where OBL is. (Unless you mean in a very general sense or in some large area, like the tribal areas on the Pakistan/Afghanistan border). There is simply no rational reason to be sure that the CIA knows where he is. Cheney and Porter Goss say they know, more or less. "More or less" could mean a lot less. What did they actually say? Please quote them, preferably with news site links where I can get the full context, and please provide links to the news story, not some biased analysis or spin. Grounds for impeachment of Bush-Cheney. Dereliction of duty as commanders in chief. Not succeeding in catching a fugitive terrorist is grounds of impeachment? What a silly idea. Tim