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To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (688750)	6/30/2005 1:16:30 PM
From: Hope Praytochange	Respond to of 769667

dummy durban already made that mistake - dummy kennyboy is just a mosquitoe following the bad mouth durban

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (688750)	6/30/2005 1:18:46 PM
From: Hope Praytochange	Respond to of 769667

all demohack house representatives never mentioned FBI report - they are praising the soldiers !!! unamerican kennyboy, traitor: take down the US flag and put up the maple leaf now

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (688750)	6/30/2005 1:30:07 PM
From: FastC6	Respond to of 769667

However justified it would be, I still have not seen American soldiers beheading any prisoners.....have you?

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (688750)	6/30/2005 1:54:58 PM
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To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (688750)	6/30/2005 5:11:15 PM
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You can tell a liberal, when they post something to support their lie, they use some editorial, trying to pass it off as news. A lot of the time it will be from some offshore website... Too easy to recognize.... To: paret who wrote (688468) 6/29/2005 4:31:12 PM From: steve harris Read Replies (2) of 688805

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (688750)	7/1/2005 3:44:51 AM
From: Hope Praytochange	Respond to of 769667

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To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (688750)	7/1/2005 3:45:08 AM
From: Hope Praytochange	Respond to of 769667

Allen: Some of these prisoners have been there a very long time. Are they still getting any useful information from some of them? Jacobs: Yeah, they are. We heard both a secure and an unsecure briefing. The stuff that was classified verified the stuff that we heard that was unclassified. I can tell you that a lot of information is still coming out. As a matter of fact, there is more information from some of these detainees coming out now then did when they first got there because they're now more comfortable with their interrogators, who by the way, are not military people, they're civilian contractors, and they establish a repoire with these people. A lot of the information that is coming out is coming from hardened jihadists who are very, very happy to pass all the information that they have, because they're very proud of jihad, they're proud of being jihadists and they get irritated at other detainees who don't spill the beans. A lot of the information that is coming out now is current. Why? Because these people were low and mid-level operatives when they were first picked up let's say three years ago. Now, all of their contemporaries, who were low- and mid-level operatives when they were picked up three years ago are now running the organizations in al-Qaida and the Taliban. So the information that we're getting from these detainees, who have been there three years, happens to be very, very current. Allen: Overall, you say (it's) a pretty decent place? Jacobs: Well, if you've got to be incarcerated, yes. I wouldn't want to spend a lot of time down there, but I have to tell you, they're getting a lot of information from these people because they're treating them the way they are -- they're treating them very, very well. © 2005 MSNBC Interactive

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (688750)	7/1/2005 3:46:06 AM
From: Hope Praytochange	Respond to of 769667

Allen: You got to see interviews with detainees while you were there. Was there any sign of misconduct or any sign of abuse while you were there? Jacobs: Oh, no, I wouldn't expect there to be if we were there in any case. But I can tell you this, the lay of the place, the way it was arranged, the way the interrogations were conducted, by whom they're conducted, and the supervision that takes place indicates to me that it's going to be extremely difficult to abuse anybody without somebody knowing about it.

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (688750)	7/1/2005 3:46:32 AM
From: Hope Praytochange	Respond to of 769667

Natalie Allen: First of all, what kind of access did you have once you arrived at Guantanamo? Col. Jack Jacobs: Well, it's probably an exaggeration to say we had the run of the place, but we saw absolutely everything, everything we wanted to see. Nothing was held back. It's not a very big place, so it's difficult to hide anything anyway, but we had complete and total access to everything.

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (688750)	7/1/2005 3:47:03 AM
From: Hope Praytochange	Respond to of 769667

Jacobs: Gitmo still providing value After a visit to detention center, MSNBC analyst gives first-hand look FREE VIDEO • First-hand at Gitmo June 29: Fresh from a visit to the base, Retired Army Col. Jack Jacobs, an MSNBC Analyst, talks with MSNBC's Natalie Allen about conditions at the detention center at Guantanamo Bay. MSNBC MSNBC LIVE • MSNBC Live home • Feature Archive: June • Feature Archive: May • The Peacock Blog • Sean Across America Related Stories \| What's this? • Inside the fragging incident in Iraq • Why Iraqi police are targeted • A veteran reflects on the new Vietnam • U.S. lawmakers on Gitmo tour • Looking at Iraq one year later Most Popular • Most Viewed • Top Rated • Most E-mailed • 30-year mortgages drop to 15-month low • 10 foods that make America great • White House ‘looking into’ Iranian leader • What dancing? Where are the stars? • Space shuttle 'go for launch' on July 13 • Most viewed on MSNBC.com • ‘Drinking Coffee Elsewhere’ • Plan in place to save Rim towns from fire • Man to try to seize home of Supreme Court justice • "Moonlight" Graham remembered • BTK targets recall strange incidents • Most viewed on MSNBC.com • 30-year mortgages drop to 15-month low • Fish whopper: 646 pounds a freshwater record • Most viewed on MSNBC.com MSNBC Updated: 5:20 p.m. ET June 29, 2005 With recent calls increasing to close the detention center at Guantanamo Bay, the Office of the Secretary of Defense has recently given several legislators and other officials access to the prison where several detainees in the war on terrorism are being held. Retired Army Col. Jack Jacobs, an MSNBC analyst, returned from a trip to the facility this week and sat down with MSNBC's Natalie Allen on Wednesday to discuss his impressions of the prison. To read an excerpt of their conversation, continue to the text below. To watch the interview, click on the "launch" button to the right.

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (688750)	7/1/2005 3:47:46 AM
From: Hope Praytochange	Respond to of 769667

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To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (688750)	7/1/2005 3:49:21 AM
From: Hope Praytochange	Respond to of 769667

U.S. lawmakers discuss Gitmo tour Republican Wilson and Democrat Jackson-Lee talk about their trip FREE VIDEO • The debate over Gitmo June 27: Congressman Joe Wilson (R-S.C.) and Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas) debate the detention center at Guantanamo Bay after a weekend visit. MSNBC Updated: 5:36 p.m. ET June 27, 2005 As the controversy surrounding the detainees at Guantanamo Bay continues, two members of Congress with different perspectives joined MSNBC's Amy Robach on Monday to discuss conditions at the detention center. Fresh off of a visit with several other lawmakers this past weekend, Rep. Joe Wilson (R-S.C.) and Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas) talked about the current situation for inmates and whether or not the center should be shuttered. Amy Robach: Congressman Wilson ... you've been very critical, as have many your Republican colleagues about the comments made by Dick Durbin and others, in fact you said that comments criticizing the treatments of detainees at Guantanamo Bay amounts to 'guerilla warfare' U.S. troops. What did you see when you went down there?

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (688750)	7/1/2005 3:50:33 AM
From: Hope Praytochange	Respond to of 769667

Rep. Joe Wilson: Well I was very impressed, we have professional troops who are conducting themselves, the attorneys there, the JAG, the medical corps, General Hood that Sheila and I met with, these are professionals who are providing a detention facility to protect the American people and it would be my view that members of Congress, Democrat and Republican should visit and see what our troops are doing. Robach: Congressman Wilson, though with allegations still swirling, would it help having another investigation if it meant clearing America's name in the world? Wilson: Well it's my view, we've had ten investigations and commissions, we've also had 400 reporters visit the facilities and also the Red Cross has a facility there, I believe another investigation simply would set our troops up for attack instead of for an inquiry. We don't have anything to hide, I'm confident that with good people like Sheila Jackson Lee and other members of Congress visiting that we can report without the necessity of another commission.

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (688750)	7/1/2005 3:51:18 AM
From: Hope Praytochange	Respond to of 769667

msnbc.msn.com

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (688750)	7/1/2005 3:52:01 AM
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GUANTANAMO BAY NAVAL BASE, Cuba - During a tour of the U.S. prison for suspected terrorists on Saturday, House Republicans and Democrats, including one who has advocated closing the facility, said the United States has made progress in improving conditions and protecting detainees’ rights. The U.S. lawmakers witnessed interrogations, toured cellblocks and ate the same lunch given to detainees on the first congressional visit to the prison for suspected terrorists since criticism of it intensified in the spring. A Senate delegation also was visiting this weekend. “The Guantanamo we saw today is not the Guantanamo we heard about a few years ago,” said Rep. Ellen Tauscher, D-Calif.

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (688750)	7/1/2005 3:53:22 AM
From: Hope Praytochange	Respond to of 769667

Still, lawmakers from both parties agree more still must be done to ensure an adequate legal process is in place to handle detainee cases. In the meantime, said Rep. Joe Schwarz, R-Mich., “I think they’re doing the best they can to define due process here.” Republicans and Democrats alike fear the prison at the U.S. Navy base in eastern Cuba is hurting the United States’ image because of claims that interrogators have abused and tortured inmates. The White House and Pentagon say conditions are humane and detainees are well-treated.

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (688750)	7/1/2005 3:54:32 AM
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Lawmakers wanted to see for themselves. After getting a classified briefing from base commanders, the House delegation ate lunch with troops — the same meal of chicken with orange sauce, rice and okra that detainees were served. They then toured several of the barbed-wire camps where detainees are housed, viewing small cells, dusty recreation yards and common areas. From behind one-way mirrors, lawmakers watched interrogators grilling three individual terror suspects. None of the interrogators touched detainees.

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (688750)	7/1/2005 3:54:49 AM
From: Hope Praytochange	Respond to of 769667

In one session, they questioned a man who defense officials said was a Saudi national and admitted al-Qaida member who was picked up in Afghanistan and knew nine of the Sept. 11, 2001, hijackers. In another, a female interrogator took an unusual approach to wear down a detainee, reading a Harry Potter book aloud for hours. He turned his back and put his hands over his ears.

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (688750)	7/1/2005 3:55:41 AM
From: Hope Praytochange	Respond to of 769667

‘We’ve made progress’ At a communal camp for those given privileges because of good behavior, bearded detainees in white frocks, flip-flops and skull caps quietly lingered near lawmakers, although from behind fences. Later, the detainees played soccer. Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee, D-Texas, is one of many Democrats who have called for an independent commission to investigate abuse allegations and have said the facility should close. She said she stood by that position, but acknowledged, “What we’ve seen here is evidence that we’ve made progress.” The chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., questioned the criteria for determining when a detainee can be released. “Perhaps the standard’s been too liberal,” he said, noting that some of those released have returned to the battlefield.

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (688750)	7/1/2005 3:57:42 AM
From: Hope Praytochange	Respond to of 769667

On a tour of one camp occupied by detainees considered “high value” for providing intelligence, detainees in cells were clearly upset at the sound of visitors, shouting foreign words and pounding on closed doors while journalists entered an interrogation room — empty except for a set of handcuffs, a folding chair, a small table and two padded office chairs. Brig. Gen. Jay Hood, commander of the joint task force at Guantanamo Bay, said he’s made transparency a priority. “It’s probably my best, our best opportunity to set the record straight,” he said. Last week, human rights investigators for the United Nations urged the U.S. to allow them inside to inspect the facility. They cited “persistent and credible” reports of “serious allegations of torture, cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment of detainees” as well as arbitrary detentions and violations of rights. In response, Vice President Dick Cheney told CNN on Thursday that the detainees are well treated, well fed and “living in the tropics.” The prison on the base in eastern Cuba opened in January 2002 to house foreigners believed to be linked to al-Qaida or the ousted Taliban in Afghanistan. U.S. officials hoped to gather intelligence from the detainees after the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan in October 2001. Bush declared the detainees “enemy combatants,” affording them fewer rights than prisoners of war under the Geneva Conventions. Some detainees have been held for three years without being charged with any crimes.

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (688750)	7/1/2005 4:00:54 AM
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A number of committee members visited Guantanamo over the weekend as the Pentagon sought to deflect demands that the prison be closed or subjected to an independent review because of allegations of torture and abuse of detainees. The lawmakers, Democrats and Republicans, said conditions there were better than they had expected. "I think we've laid to rest any of what I consider to be very irresponsible allegations," Rep. Duncan Hunter, a California Republican who chairs the committee, said after a hearing with Brig. Gen. Jay Hood, the Guantanamo prison commander. Rep. Madeleine Bordallo, a Democrat from Guam, said the prison camp was "more like a resort," and said she enjoyed dining on the same meals the detainees ate.