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To: Neeka who wrote (123493)7/6/2005 5:13:56 AM
From: KLP  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 794038
 
Excellent questions, M~ And exactly why I've asked some that I have.... Who in the heck knows who is going to vote for whom when they go to whatever church? No media ever questioned Clinton or Carter when they and their Bibles went to church on a Sunday, camera's in tow.... Or Gore and jackson, and Sharpton.....even told the congregation from the pulpit to vote for the Democrats before the election.

Now, the Libs are making a point of saying that Bush is Christian right.....

Wonder how many of them know that Hillary and GWB belong to exactly the same denomination Church? Not many, I'll bet....All it takes is a simple look up....



To: Neeka who wrote (123493)7/6/2005 10:57:01 AM
From: neolib  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 794038
 
The total number of American Evangelicals is around 50M, but that number is a little hard to pin down because the boundaries are fuzzy. Generally speaking evangelicals believe in a literal reading of the Bible, hence the problem with modern science. About 25M voted in the last election with around 80% going for Bush IIRC. The biggest block of Evangelicals that voted Dem are Black Evangelicals (who voted dem by about 80% as well??) I'd like to see good data on the white evangelical political split by itself, but it must be in the high 80's. The black alignment with Dems is for historical racial reasons, something I expect to shift in favor of Republicans, but who knows.

You make it sound like we all need to be on the lookout for an all out takeover of American politics by the "religious right."

If you followed the last election, this was a well discussed issue in the media. Many credit increased evangelical turnout with giving Bush the victory. Oddly enough, some conservative pundits trumpet this while others tend to deny that it was a factor.

As far as fearing a takeover, my biggest concern is a significant shift in the court system to the point where evangelical beliefs negatively impact the educational system and environmental protection. There is a very concerted effort underway to blunt the teaching of modern biology in high schools, with court cases underway or about to start. Right wing pundits have been spewing nonsense all over the media about evolution being in "crisis" about to crumble, with a newly wrapped version of creationism (Intelligent Design or ID) just waiting to fill the supposed vacuum. The last time such a challenge made it to the supreme court (late 80's) it got wacked, but a new more right wing court MAY change that. BTW, the ID strategy is an attempt to invoke special creation without naming the creator, those supposedly making it no religious. LOL!

I don't know......do you believe Evangelicals, or Christians in general, are sinister? I ask because I read posts like yours allot on SI and I thought you could provide an insight that others seem to be unable or incapable of giving. Maybe I'm misreading your posts?

No I do not see them as sinster. I think they are fine constructive citizens even almost model citizens. The issues that need work are just coming to grips with some basic facts of about the world that is. Primarily the need to understand how rich ecology is that what a treasure the natural world is. There is hope BTW. Evangelicals have started to realize that claiming to be Christian while trashing the planet makes Christians looks rather bad. So recently they hae offered some attention to that issue. The scare one is foreign policy however. If they acted on what they believed, we might as well nuke the middle east now, and make Jesus come.