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To: Keith Feral who wrote (165545)	7/8/2005 12:49:55 PM
From: Keith Feral	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

galha.org Response to Mayor Livingston's support for Muslim cleric. timesonline.co.uk

To: Keith Feral who wrote (165545)	7/8/2005 12:50:04 PM
From: one_less	Respond to of 281500

Well done Bob. Either you have lived in a foriegn country or you are paying very close attention. Only one edit to that, Shi'a are not Salafi. Salafi are mostly a subgroup of Sunni Muslims leaning on Wahabism. If you are looking for radicals from the Shi'a (Shi'ites), they tend to be followers of some radical Mullah teaching, like Moktada Al-Sadr in Iraq.

To: Keith Feral who wrote (165545)	7/8/2005 3:26:39 PM
From: Sun Tzu	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

>> I'm not going to keep circling back on Muslim justifications for terror. You don't have to; they are doing it for you. You seem content to let even recent by-gone be by-gone, but they are not. I bet every Iraqi has heard his grandfather talk about the British in Iraq and what they did. They younger ones remember the US' lavish support for Saddam. In any event, this type of conflict is a human problem and requires a human solution. >> You really do a lot of discredit to Muslims for even using such irrational justifications for murder. It pisses off Westerners to no limit. Why would I care? I call it as I see it and I don't divide the world along religious lines. Ideology is a poor substitute for decency. >> If anyone has an image problem today, it is the Islamic community and they know it. LOL!! Really that is very funny. How often do you visit abroad, and I don't mean just to look at some monument or art piece? I speak 5 languages and have lived half of my life outside the US (and not in one big chunk). I still spend at least a couple of months abroad and in a "quiet" year make 3-5 international trips. Mostly these are to Asia, but sometimes to Europe and Africa. Take a trip and see how much of an image problem US has. Or at least read some of the European magazines or listen to Michael Scheuer the Sr. CIA in charge of AQ. How much credibility do you think US has on human rights when it ships detainees to Egypt for torture? Or kidnaps people or makes them disappear into Gitmo (and I am not talking about whoever who was unlucky enough to be around when US forces rolled into Afghanistan). Did you miss the news on how US cannot even give money away in Iraq, let alone have people use it the right way? Now that is having an image problem. >> The real question is how Islam is going to shut down the jihadi conundrum. Nope. That is the question for you. They don't care about this one bit. You remind me of Bushies in the last NPT meeting in New York. They thought the "real question" was how to stop proliferation of the nukes, but most of the world wondered why US is planning to develop more advanced nukes and why it is not complying with the treaty it has already signed. >> I think the opposite effect is beginning to take place now that they have lost all moral authority in Islam. Who is "they" and when did they lose the moral authority and in whose eyes did they lose it?