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To: Clappy who wrote (44872)	7/8/2005 6:05:33 PM
From: Wharf Rat	Respond to of 104155

You could become a contractor. I don't think this one is the 70's; it's the real deal. The companies haven't been able to replace their reserves. Last year, Shell replaced 25% of what they pumped. Everybody is pumping full tilt boogie, refineries are @100%. Hopefully we can hang at a plateau. Other energy is short, too; India is flirting with power failures because of insufficient coal at the generating stations. China closed down 6000 business a few weeks ago in order to provide enuf electricity to deal with a heat wave. Nat gas is tight. Nuke fuel is getting tight. All the resources have a Hubbert's Peak. Gas is about 10 or 15 years after oil; US is now officially over the Hubbert gas peak, too; happened this year. The experts believe that the oil shocks in the 70's slowed the world demand enuf that it bought us maybe 15 years in the world peak. Hubbert correctly predicted the US peak in '71/'72; the two shocks pushed his world peak prediction back some. Technology: I dunno. Hydrogen is a net energy loser. Fusion? More efficient use to prolong things, fer sure; especially cars. These guys mostly say that people who put their faith in tech at this point are grasping at straws in denial. Snow White's elf, Cheerful

To: Clappy who wrote (44872)	7/8/2005 10:32:46 PM
From: Bill on the Hill	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 104155

I am making deals with the local slaughter house and fast food restaurants to collect there waste oil and fat. The fast food restaurants are harder to deal with because many of them are corporations and cannot make decisions on a local level. Oil and fats are collected in a closed tight container. Using solar heating which is easy to build you can collect animal fats and vegetable oils which are easily converted to biodiesel. A small trailer mounted biodiesel generator can create 40 gallons of fuel efficiently per day. Now, I am not concerned with the diesel fuel. I can make my own. But these small trailers. Most folks could make their own fuel but do not have the ability to make their own trailer biodiesel generators. With fuel at $4 a gallon a trailer to make your own would be very popular. At $3500 per plant ($1100 to make) a person could make a solid living producing these. This type of cottage industry is what can guarantee survival in hard times. There are hundreds of others of ideas. Create one. What do we do best. What do we know best.