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To: RetiredNow who wrote (240666)	7/9/2005 8:25:50 AM
From: steve harris	Respond to of 1572100

Uh-Rah!

To: RetiredNow who wrote (240666)	7/9/2005 8:32:29 AM
From: RetiredNow	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1572100

Even the sheep of Muslims kill themselves. What a suicidal culture they have that it even extends to their sheep. Sorry...couldn't resist. :) I know I'll be flamed for this, but my humor is increasingly becoming anti-Muslim. Gee, I wonder why. 450 Sheep Jump to Their Deaths in Turkey Fri Jul 8, 9:59 PM ET ISTANBUL, Turkey - First one sheep jumped to its death. Then stunned Turkish shepherds, who had left the herd to graze while they had breakfast, watched as nearly 1,500 others followed, each leaping off the same cliff, Turkish media reported. ADVERTISEMENT In the end, 450 dead animals lay on top of one another in a billowy white pile, the Aksam newspaper said. Those who jumped later were saved as the pile got higher and the fall more cushioned, Aksam reported. "There's nothing we can do. They're all wasted," Nevzat Bayhan, a member of one of 26 families whose sheep were grazing together in the herd, was quoted as saying by Aksam. The estimated loss to families in the town of Gevas, located in Van province in eastern Turkey, tops $100,000, a significant amount of money in a country where average GDP per head is around $2,700. "Every family had an average of 20 sheep," Aksam quoted another villager, Abdullah Hazar as saying. "But now only a few families have sheep left. It's going to be hard for us."

To: RetiredNow who wrote (240666)	7/9/2005 11:23:10 AM
From: SilentZ	Respond to of 1572100

>If that is the definition, then we are already on the way to winning, because of the muted response of the stock markets to the London attacks. They weren't nearly as bad as the 9/11 or Madrid attacks. So I guess the world is learning to live with Muslim terrorists. That's true... I was pretty impressed by the response. Islamic terrorism sucks, but despite it, the last 15 years have probably been the safest in the U.S.'s history. -Z

To: RetiredNow who wrote (240666)	7/10/2005 10:59:58 AM
From: Taro	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 1572100

Still I think it would be a good thing if we dropped a guided missile on the House of Saud, Musharraf's palace, Assad's palace, and Khamenie's mosque every time there was an attack on a Western country... ...So let's start smacking the rulers around a bit. They are the ones with power. If we make the rulers quake in their shoes, maybe something will get done. Make the Muslims rulers solve the problems they created. MM, I copied your post to my buddy Bob, who lives at the East Bay, SFO. He had a few comments, which I quote here: "The right philosophy, though such an approach needs to be executed in the right way - pre-warned, measured, graduated intensity, uncompromising, etc. The plan is to get the idea across that there is a price to be paid for terrorism. Right now the price is almost zero. Another important part of the philosophy or response is to get the idea across that God is perhaps NOT in sympathy with what they are doing. You do that by taking away from them some of God's evidence on Earth, as they see it. For example, making it clear that Mecca is not automatically off the target list when especilly aggregious acts of terror are committed. Smaller religious targets come first, but they might begin to get the idea early enough. What this boils down to is to turn the general Muslim population against the terrorists. That requires showing them the price they must pay for continuing the path they are taking. Both the religious leaders and the secular leaders must be brought to an understanding of how much they have to lose. It is unfortunate that the European peoples still believe you can negotiate with Muslim terrorists. That is the philosophy of approach that Jewish people used for centuries in Europe when faced with oppression. They took the path of accommodation, followed by negotiation whenever paced with pogroms. They payed a high price in lives for that approach, but it saved them from even worse for many centuries. Then came Hitler, and more attempts at accommodation. All it got the vast majority was death and annihilation. The lesson is clear - you can't negotiate with terrorists of any belief system. Europe must stiffen its spine, and face reality. This is a WAR. It will NOT be won by talk. I cannot but agree with him. Taro