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To: sylvester80 who wrote (165776)	7/11/2005 1:34:31 PM
From: Sun Tzu	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

I agree completely.

To: sylvester80 who wrote (165776)	7/11/2005 1:46:20 PM
From: one_less	Respond to of 281500

"Wake me up ..." I will wake you up when lost causes find purpose and when brick wall get ears, until then you may remain in your restful ignorance.

To: sylvester80 who wrote (165776)	7/11/2005 3:05:49 PM
From: geode00	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Right-o. What would happen if tomorrow morning we removed all furrin troops (that would be us) from the entire Middle East? What would happen? Would there be more than 500 terrorist bombs in Iraq in the next year? Would the Kurds be more likely to stage a quiet divorce? Would the Iraqi government be more friendly with Iran than it already is? If so, so what? The US goes decades ahead, out of necessity, in dealing with the declining world oil reserves...so what? What is the most probable outcome versus the most probable outcome if we continue to support the oil industry using the US Military? In the future, are we going to invade China if they decide not to manufacture our goods anymore and get more chummy with Europe instead? The US has such a weak position in the world.

To: sylvester80 who wrote (165776)	7/12/2005 10:39:49 AM
From: Dennis O'Bell	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

This guy has it right: Scheuer, who headed the CIA’s bin Laden unit for nine years, sees a different way out — through U.S. foreign policy. He said he resigned last November to expose the U.S. leadership’s “willful blindness” to what needs to be done: withdraw the U.S. military from the Mideast, end “unqualified support” for Israel, sever close ties to Arab oil-state “tyrannies.” The American public has voted for Shrub, and his heaviest support comes from the famous Red States, where it is extremely unlikely that there will ever be any Islamist terrorist "action" of the like we saw in London. You could get a random McVeigh, but no Islamists. Despite the common sense of reducing our dependence on the Saudi oil teat, and letting them go on killing each other in that region, as they have done since it was the cradle of civilization, there's little chance of this ever happening. It is not in the financial interests of the huge energy conglomerates, or the natural resources sector, and when it's not in the financial interests of such powerful parts of the economy, it won't happen, period. The fact is that Shrub's stupidity in Iraq is by far not the major problem the US faces - it is the metastability of the dollar, and our habit of living on credit, which Shrub and Congress are busy making far, far worse every day. This is going to bring the country to its knees sooner or later, and a coming oil crisis will hasten this, and probably trigger it.