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To: KonKilo who wrote (24904)	7/13/2005 3:32:53 PM
From: Bucky Katt	Respond to of 48461

I always think the unthinkable, expect the unexpected, etc... It is of interest, but as far as conspiracies go, it would be a stretch in this case (London) & the 911 case. If what is coming out of the London investigation is true, militant muslim teenagers were the cause, which should be yet another wake up call in all of the western countries, as this can escalate out of control in a New York minute.........

To: KonKilo who wrote (24904)	7/13/2005 6:25:13 PM
From: Bucky Katt	Respond to of 48461

Clampdown coming, big time> "What we know now is appalling to contemplate," Michael Howard, the leader of the opposition Conservatives, said. "It will take us a long time to come to terms with the fact that these atrocities appear to have been committed by those who were born and brought up in our midst." The men were thought to be from families who had immigrated from Pakistan and later taken British citizenship. "We are deeply shocked that these are homegrown bombers. Ever since the bombings, the police have given the impression that the attackers were what Home Secretary Charles Clarke referred to today as "foot soldiers" whose common anonymity made it easier for them to avoid notice and slip through the net of the security services. "We've got to look at the reasoning behind these things," said Saraj Qazi, a 25-year-old Muslim boutique owner in Luton, just north of London, where the police suspect the bombers gathered for their final brief journey into the British capital. "There's no denying it's payback for what's happened in Iraq and Afghanistan," he said. "You've been bombing people for the last two to four years, so you are going to get a backlash." Mr. Blair has tried hard to deflect such explanations for Muslim disaffection, noting that terrorism and suicide attacks predated the 2003 invasion of Iraq. But some Muslims like Mr. Qazi express more complex feelings, condemning the attacks in London but blaming Mr. Blair's government and its close alliance with the United States in Iraq for Muslim disaffection. "England is a great country and we love it to bits, but do we love this government? No," Mr. Qazi said. "There were 24 Muslims killed in Iraq today; there will be more tonight and more tomorrow." The identification of the attackers as British-born Muslims has deepened the anxieties of Muslim leaders here that they will face a backlash. There have already been incidents of mosques being attacked. "The fear is very palpable," a senior police officer, Rob Beckley, said. Mr. Blair met with Muslim legislators today and promised immediate discussions with Muslim leaders to "debate the right way forward." Referring to Islamic extremism, he said, "In the end, this can only be taken on and defeated by the community itself." In Parliament, Shahid Malik, a Labor legislator from the same West Yorkshire area that was home to the suspected bombers, said condemnation of extremists was "not enough, and British Muslims must and, I believe, are prepared to confront the voices of evil head on." Britain has long been accused of being too soft on hard-line Muslim clerics using mosques to incite fundamentalism. In Parliament, Mr. Blair said he planned to open negotiations with other political parties on new antiterrorism laws. "We will look urgently at how we strengthen the procedures to exclude people from entering the U.K. who may incite hatred or act contrary to the public good, and at how we deport such people, if they come here, more easily," Mr. Blair said. The notion of more draconian antiterror laws has raised concerns that Britain will forfeit its long-standing commitment to tolerance and civil rights in the name of a campaign against terrorism modeled on that of the United States. But Mr. Clarke, the home secretary, argued that civil rights had to be balanced against the needs of security. "I argue that it is a fundamental civil liberty of people in Europe to be able to go to work on their transport system in the morning without being blown up or subjected to terrorist attack or to conduct their lives without being at risk of serious and organized crime," he said. "The question of civil liberties has to be treated in a proportionate way." nytimes.com