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To: KLP who wrote (125169)	7/14/2005 4:23:19 AM
From: Neeka	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793839

Also found on Rush's web site. I thought this was as good a reason as any for the NYTs to be very careful in how they frame a story. Pure hypocricy. M "Media chants aside, there's no evidence that Karl Rove broke any laws in telling reporters that Valerie Plame may have played a role in her husband's selection for a 2002 mission to investigate reports that Iraq was seeking uranium ore in Niger. But it appears Rove didn't even know her name and had only heard about her work at Langley from other journalists. On the no underlying crime point moreover no less than the New York Times..." This is the key part of the Journal editorial. "On the no underlying crime point moreover no less than the New York Times and Washington Post now agree that there hasn't been a crime committed here, so do the 36 major news organizations that filed a legal brief in March aimed at keeping Mr. Cooper and the New York Times' Judith Miller out of jail." Now, this is something I didn't know. The Wall Street Journal editorial says that both the Washington Post and the New York Times joined in briefs, court papers, arguing that there is no underlying crime here. Now, if that's their position, if there's no underlying crime in all of this, how can they then say that Rove be said to have committed any offense as a matter of law? At least accordingly their own logic. There's no underlying crime when you're trying to protect your reporters but there is an underlying crime if you're trying to nail Rove? rushlimbaugh.com

To: KLP who wrote (125169)	7/14/2005 5:34:25 AM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793839

White House Let CIA Undermine Them Someone earlier called the Plame matter "inside baseball." It's definitely something you need a player's guide to follow unless this is your cup of tea. But CIA on Iraqi WMD is a poisonous mess. It's agency vs. agency, and think tank vs. think tank. And we see the results right here on this thread. Nobody really knows what's true, so we believe the people we feel most comfortable with, and suspect the motives of the people on the other side. I have to break ranks and say I believe that, while Saddam had WMD years ago, as is well known, and well documented by the UN inspectors, he did not have any new significant stockpiles of WMD nor new significant WMD programs going on immediately before the beginning of the war. I strongly suspect that his own men lied to him because they knew he was crazy and would kill them if they told him something he did not want to hear, like Hitler. The war was started because we wanted to do something, and getting rid of Saddam seemed like a good idea at the time. Who knows what the Founding Fathers would have thought, but this was not the type of war they envisioned when they drafted the Constitution. Anyway, they're dead and we're not. We're on the back of the tiger and we can't get off. Maybe I am wrong but I can't get in the same bed with Richard Perle and Laurie Mylroie, nor R. James Woolsey and Ahmad Chalabi and the Iraqi National Congress. Nor can I get in the same bed with Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame. The truth is out there, but the truth is not in them. George Washington University will probably the best source in the future -- not sure how many years it will take for these documents to be declassified and produced under FOIA -- maybe 20 is my guess. Until then, I refuse to get my information from the likes of Rush Limbaugh. If you want to have the scales of illusion removed from your eyes, wander through the National Security Archives a while. Nobody knows what the #@(% we are doing. Wheels within wheels, courtesy of low paid government bureaucrats and egotistic self-serving politicians, not to mention the occasional crook, and if you're talking about other nations, more crooks than occasional. If you ran a business this way, you'd go broke. gwu.edu

To: KLP who wrote (125169)	7/14/2005 6:10:06 AM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 793839

Some "inside baseball" examples. Laurie Mylroie -- if you don't know who she is, please look her up. She's semi-famous for her theory that Saddam was behind the Oklahoma City bombing. She's a fellow [edit: was] at the American Enterprise Institute (not to be confused with the American Heritage Foundation), as is Lynne Cheney (!) (and lots of others, some very influential). She thanked Clare Wolfowitz in her acknowledgements for "shaping" her book about Saddam and the Oklahoma City bombing. Clare and Paul Wolfowitz are divorced now, because he's taken up with Shaha Ali Reza, a Tunisian born British citizen employed by the World Bank. And guess where Paul (whom I admire) was recently appointed to head? Yes, the World Bank. He got appointed to head the same organization his girlfriend works for. You've been involved in personnel, weird or what? Strangely, Clare Wolfowitz's specialty is Indonesian linguistics. She seems like an interesting person. They all seem like interesting people.